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Ralphie
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Pirates finished tied with Cincy for the third worst record in the majors, but we win the tiebreaker which is last year's record. So we are one of the three teams with the highest odds of securing the first overall pick.

The worst we could be drafting would be seventh, if I am understanding things correctly.
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All 18 non-playoff teams will be in the lottery. The worst 3 records all have a 16.5% chance of getting their team chosen. 4th worst to 18th worst has a progressively less chance of getting their team chosen. They will pick 6 teams in the lottery and that will be the order for 1st pick thru 6th. After that the rest of the picks will fall in order. Very very unlikely, but the worst possibility for the Pirates would be none of the Nationals, Athletics or Pirates were drawn, therefore the Pirates would get the 9th pick. Let's hope for #1.

Nationals (55-107): 16.5%
Athletics (60-102): 16.5%
Pirates (62-100, 61-101 in ’21): 16.5%
Reds (62-100, 83-79 in ’21): 13.25%
Royals (65-97): 10%
Tigers (66-96): 7.5%
Rangers (68-94, 60-102 in ’21): 5.5%
Rockies (68-94, 74-87 in ’21): 3.9%
Marlins (69-93): 2.7%
Angels (73-89): 1.8%
Diamondbacks (74-88, 52-110 in ’21): 1.4%
Cubs (74-88, 71-91 in ’21): 1.1%
Twins (78-84, 73-89 in ’21): 0.9%
Red Sox (78-84, 92-70 in ’21): 0.76%
White Sox (81-81, 93-69 in ’21): 0.62%
Giants (81-81, 107-55 in ’21): 0.48%
Orioles (83-79): 0.36%
Brewers (86-76): 0.23%
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bucco boy
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So teams that were above .500 have a chance to get the first overall pick. Can Rob Manfred and his incompetent staff ruin MLB any more? Just moronic.
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He'd ruin it more by continuing to reward incompetence and unwillingness to field competitive rosters.

"Hey! It's great that we finished LAST! We're getting a decent draft pick." How does that make MLB better? There are as many Races To The Bottom as there are Races To The Top right now.

If we want to make MLB better, we'd give the #1 pick to the team that finished 13th. They barely missed the playoffs, but they were in it to get there. You'd see a lot more teams trying to win even more than what they do today.
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I don't think this Management cares one iota where this team picks in the draft. The race to the bottom is nothing more than excuses and alibis from Apologists apologizing for a Management that cares only about keeping team salaries low. The way for MLB to improve would be for them to find a way to get Bob Nutting out of baseball.
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That would improve one club. What I suggest would improve close to 20 clubs.

Blaming the commissioner for the Pirates problems is the misdirection that Nutting benefits from.
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GreenWeenie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:54 am If we want to make MLB better, we'd give the #1 pick to the team that finished 13th. They barely missed the playoffs, but they were in it to get there. You'd see a lot more teams trying to win even more than what they do today.
This makes a lot of sense. You would see more teams willing to spend money and trying to win. If a team tanks and trades for prospects, they won't be rewarded again by drafts picks for even more prospects. If a team trades away prospects for veterans and still miss the play-offs, they will now be rewarded by draft picks to maybe get some prospects back. I am all in on this idea................after this draft of course. :)
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GreenWeenie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:38 am That would improve one club. What I suggest would improve close to 20 clubs.

Blaming the commissioner for the Pirates problems is the misdirection that Nutting benefits from.
Not blaming the commissioner for the Pirates problems. But are you going to the deny that the competitive balance isn't there? The only way for the smaller revenue teams to compete on a regular basis is to build through the draft. So now you are going to reward a big revenue team who possibly mismanaged their roster and payroll? I am not against a lottery. But it should involve the bottom teams and not a team 10 games over .500
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I'll add some clarification. I neither blame a commissioner for our problems, nor do I look for the commissioner for a solution to problems that we're responsible for making.

Every year- and, I mean every single year- especially during CBA negotiations, I hear or read someone trying to sell me on "the commissioner should do this", " the commissioner should do that."

Yet, no one has ever told me what exactly the commissioner should do that will help the Pirates. Why should the commissioner do something that helps one team, but not help any of the other 29 clubs?
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Now, let's look at "Competitive Balance."

The NBA, NHL, and NFL have an ALLEGED "competitive balance." Alleged because even with a flatter payroll structure, every one those leagues has traditionally stronger teams.....and, historically lesser clubs. Detroit Lions....Sacramento Kings.....

Money won't buy competence.

Give the incompetent a blank check. What will you get?

You'll get a well-off incompetent.

The Pirates have a Double Whammy. We aren't satisfied with being just cheap. We have to be incompetent, too. We aren't competent with personnel, we aren't competent enough with game strategy. We aren't focused enough on overall quality, and we lack discipline. We're laisse faire. Those issues have little to do with money. If it was me, I'd start with improving those things.
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GreenWeenie wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:40 pm I'll add some clarification. I neither blame a commissioner for our problems, nor do I look for the commissioner for a solution to problems that we're responsible for making.

Every year- and, I mean every single year- especially during CBA negotiations, I hear or read someone trying to sell me on "the commissioner should do this", " the commissioner should do that."

Yet, no one has ever told me what exactly the commissioner should do that will help the Pirates. Why should the commissioner do something that helps one team, but not help any of the other 29 clubs?
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Now, let's look at "Competitive Balance."

The NBA, NHL, and NFL have an ALLEGED "competitive balance." Alleged because even with a flatter payroll structure, every one those leagues has traditionally stronger teams.....and, historically lesser clubs. Detroit Lions....Sacramento Kings.....

Money won't buy competence.

Give the incompetent a blank check. What will you get?

You'll get a well-off incompetent.

The Pirates have a Double Whammy. We aren't satisfied with being just cheap. We have to be incompetent, too. We aren't competent with personnel, we aren't competent enough with game strategy. We aren't focused enough on overall quality, and we lack discipline. We're laisse faire. Those issues have little to do with money. If it was me, I'd start with improving those things.
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You dog!

Things in Delaware are.....like Big Bad BOB's Buccos.......under construction! All up and down I-95 from here to Birdland....to the Nats. And, that's where I've been for the past five months, putting miles on the Weeniewagon like Tommy on the pinball machine.*

*For you "suspect members," a pinball machine was the x-box or PlayStation of its day. Look it up.
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You would have to bring up The Great JD.

Going by Stallings, Narduzzi, and Shelton standards, I have to admit- maybe JD was great. I'm ever hopeful that Cap will get us going. I'm not a guy who lives in the past, but I'd sure like to go back to those Big East days. Just turn of every television and make my internet go off at NCAAT time.

Let that be a lesson to us all (and I wrote it at the time): If you're going to can somebody (players included!) you'd better make dang sure that the person you're replacing them with is even better. Oops! Thanks again Scott Barnes.

Yes, I'm aware that Dixon wasn't canned. That's a distinction without much difference.
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GreenWeenie wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:22 am You dog!

Things in Delaware are.....like Big Bad BOB's Buccos.......under construction! All up and down I-95 from here to Birdland....to the Nats. And, that's where I've been for the past five months, putting miles on the Weeniewagon like Tommy on the pinball machine.*

*For you "suspect members," a pinball machine was the x-box or PlayStation of its day. Look it up.
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You would have to bring up The Great JD.

Going by Stallings, Narduzzi, and Shelton standards, I have to admit- maybe JD was great. I'm ever hopeful that Cap will get us going. I'm not a guy who lives in the past, but I'd sure like to go back to those Big East days. Just turn of every television and make my internet go off at NCAAT time.

Let that be a lesson to us all (and I wrote it at the time): If you're going to can somebody (players included!) you'd better make dang sure that the person you're replacing them with is even better. Oops! Thanks again Scott Barnes.

Yes, I'm aware that Dixon wasn't canned. That's a distinction without much difference.
The Great Dixon is now 102nd on the all time wins list. Maybe he wasn’t that great, but he had the Panthers in the tournament more times than not. Stallings destroyed Pitt basketball about as quick as your buddy Biden is destroying the country.

And Remember Dixon did bring a championship to Pitt.

HTP
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My buddy?

I dont HAVE any buddies! :))) OK, maybe Kovie once in a while. I'll count him.

"Great" is one of those words is so heavily over-used in my way of thinking. He was pretty darned good. K was great because he had greater accomplishments. D is the next rung down, and I'd take that in a heartbeat if I'm not landing one of the big fish.

Let's remember that Pitt wanted Skip Prosser. He declined, then passed away. Who can say how well he would have worked out, but it would've been tough to do worse than Shelton.....I mean Stallings.

A.D.s and G.M.s have a lot of responsibility, and some are better at these kinds of decisions, I guess.

Cherington has me wondering how good he is at it. I've not been impressed so far. I dont see a good foundation in guiding the club yet. I hope that changes quick, fast, and in a hurry.

By the time coaching gets around to being good, we won't be good anymore. @@@@@@
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MLB will reveal the draft lottery next Tuesday, December 6th 8:30 eastern on their network.
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