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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Animal is going to need to rename his Goats and Stars threads to Pirates Post Mortem if this keeps up.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
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Have I mentioned Pedro Alvarez sickens me????


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:02 pm 
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The worst part of the situation is we won't do a damn thing in the offseason other than add a bullpen arm, maybe.

The OF will be Cutch, Marte, Snider, with Tabata & Presley as fallbacks.

The IF will be Jones/ Sanchez, 2B Walker, SS will be Barmes (don't see us eating 5 million), and 3B will be a sketchy Pedro.

Catch will be the Fort and who knows.

Rotation will be Burnett, Wandy, JMac, Karstens, and Wilson/ Locke/ Cole competing for a spot.

That's it. Same team. Will be a 'the players we have just have to play better' approach once again with no real improvements for position players lurking in AAA.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:11 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Have I mentioned Pedro Alvarez sickens me????


He had a good month. Didn't we run LaRoche out of town for having good months other than one?


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:21 pm 
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Sure glad we didn't go after Paul Maholm... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:31 pm 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
The worst part of the situation is we won't do a damn thing in the offseason other than add a bullpen arm, maybe.

The OF will be Cutch, Marte, Snider, with Tabata & Presley as fallbacks.

The IF will be Jones/ Sanchez, 2B Walker, SS will be Barmes (don't see us eating 5 million), and 3B will be a sketchy Pedro.

Catch will be the Fort and who knows.

Rotation will be Burnett, Wandy, JMac, Karstens, and Wilson/ Locke/ Cole competing for a spot.

That's it. Same team. Will be a 'the players we have just have to play better' approach once again with no real improvements for position players lurking in AAA.



I have the same feeling.

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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:38 pm 
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All I can say, and I am sure many of you feel the same way, I'm not 'jumping ship' and I have not done so through 20 years of crap...but I'm also not going to watch shit baseball which is what this is again.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:41 pm 
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I am going to keep watching, and hope for the best.

If the bottom falls out, I will be extremely disappointed, but I will remember the satisfying 3/4 of a season the Bucs gave us, and hope for better next year.

It's just a game, entertainment, and with all the other crap going on in the world, I am just happy to have a few hours a night to take my mind off all of that.

Go Bucs!

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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:00 am 
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
The worst part of the situation is we won't do a damn thing in the offseason other than add a bullpen arm, maybe.

The OF will be Cutch, Marte, Snider, with Tabata & Presley as fallbacks.

The IF will be Jones/ Sanchez, 2B Walker, SS will be Barmes (don't see us eating 5 million), and 3B will be a sketchy Pedro.

Catch will be the Fort and who knows.

Rotation will be Burnett, Wandy, JMac, Karstens, and Wilson/ Locke/ Cole competing for a spot.

That's it. Same team. Will be a 'the players we have just have to play better' approach once again with no real improvements for position players lurking in AAA.


My primary sporting affiliation is with the English soccer club Arsenal, and that is the story of my life as an Arsenal fan. We've gotten some decent players this offseason, but three years in a row now we've let our best player go, so at best we're offsetting the departures, which keeps us from building the team. We are a mediocre-ly good team, but absolutely resolute in not doing what it takes to help get to the next level.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:28 am 
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Just returned home from the library. I see Wandy Rodriguez has turned in another fine performance tonight. If my math is correct, that's 30 hits and 15 earned runs in 30-2/3 IP over four starts. Impressive. With a little more effort, he still has a chance to equal Matt Morris' record of 41 hits and 24 earned runs in his first five Pirate starts.

His problem is he doesn't strike people out like he used to. He got blooped and flared to death tonight. Of the 10 hits, I think I counted 3 that were well struck. Having said that, he certainly is looking more like a back end of the rotation guy not a number 3.


Just think how fun it will be when he exercises that player option in 2014. With a Zach Duke-esque K rate, should be fun to watch.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:30 am 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Bob in Boston wrote:
Just returned home from the library. I see Wandy Rodriguez has turned in another fine performance tonight. If my math is correct, that's 30 hits and 15 earned runs in 30-2/3 IP over four starts. Impressive. With a little more effort, he still has a chance to equal Matt Morris' record of 41 hits and 24 earned runs in his first five Pirate starts.

His problem is he doesn't strike people out like he used to. He got blooped and flared to death tonight. Of the 10 hits, I think I counted 3 that were well struck. Having said that, he certainly is looking more like a back end of the rotation guy not a number 3.


Just think how fun it will be when he exercises that player option in 2014. With a Zach Duke-esque K rate, should be fun to watch.


Its a shame that no one saw his lowering K rate and declined velocity as a problem, oh wait a minute, several of us did. I would disagree with the bloop/flare analysis, from my view a few rows behind home plate, most of those balls were solid struck line drives. I honestly can't figure out how he was so successful at home in Houston. I'd be willing to be that Locke or Rudy could have manned the spot in the rotation with similar results, less salary, and 6 years of team control.

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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
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I'm not trying to defend Wandy because he hasn't gotten the job done. I thought he'd be a solid middle of the rotation guy for us. But last night, those balls were not solidly struck...swinging bunts, broken bat hits, jam shots. Again, I think I counted 3 hits that were struck well. Again, not trying to defend...more of a when it rains it pours analysis of things...


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
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I wonder how different the game would have been if he would have gotten the call on the full count to the guy batting in the 3rd inning last night with one out when the runner broke for 2nd? It could have been an inning ending double play (punch'em out, throw'em out) and the game is still tied at one, but the Dodgers took a 2 to 1 lead with the walk extending the inning.

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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
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I wonder how different the game would have been if he would have gotten the call on the full count to the guy batting in the 3rd inning last night with one out when the runner broke for 2nd? It could have been an inning ending double play (punch'em out, throw'em out) and the game is still tied at one, but the Dodgers took a 2 to 1 lead with the walk extending the inning.


It really was a Zach Duke start, lots of hits, no K's and many whatifs regarding the defense/umps. Yeah, you can strand a ton of runners on singles, but that's not a viable success strategy longterm.

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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
The worst part of the situation is we won't do a damn thing in the offseason other than add a bullpen arm, maybe.

The OF will be Cutch, Marte, Snider, with Tabata & Presley as fallbacks.

The IF will be Jones/ Sanchez, 2B Walker, SS will be Barmes (don't see us eating 5 million), and 3B will be a sketchy Pedro.

Catch will be the Fort and who knows.

Rotation will be Burnett, Wandy, JMac, Karstens, and Wilson/ Locke/ Cole competing for a spot.

That's it. Same team. Will be a 'the players we have just have to play better' approach once again with no real improvements for position players lurking in AAA.


Other than Wandy and Barmes, show me a problem spot.


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 Post subject: Re: 08/15/12 Pirates (64-52) vs Dodgers (64-53)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:27 pm 
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nad69dan wrote:
I wonder how different the game would have been if he would have gotten the call on the full count to the guy batting in the 3rd inning last night with one out when the runner broke for 2nd? It could have been an inning ending double play (punch'em out, throw'em out) and the game is still tied at one, but the Dodgers took a 2 to 1 lead with the walk extending the inning.


...not to make excuses, but it seems to have really hit us like this during this slump...calls not going our way, something odd or crazy, turning into big innings.

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