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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Horrible time to have a meltdown, after all that good work to get back in the game. Geez.

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Anyone else notice Cutch and his 3 inch vertical?!?! In a bad situation like this I actually had to chuckle.

Yeah...that was kinda funny....kinda.


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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:06 pm 
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Off night for Grilli. $%#!


Ugh...understatement of the season. He's been great all year, so one game will not a lynching bring...however, get your head back in the game Grilli...September is coming!!

Agreed. Can't grill Cheese for one off night (sorry...).


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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Around the 6th, when Pedro fell behind 1-2, I felt a great disturbance in the force.

Alas, my judgment was clouded and I could not foresee that 8th inning...

I need to get my midichlorians re-counted. :D

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Our bullpen has a really bad case of gopheritis tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Better they all meltdown on one night.. Watson needs to pitch more..jmho


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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Oh, well. At least Cincinnati lost again, so the Bucs keep pace.

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.

I don't know, Grilli hasn't been nearly as sharp since the All Star break. He hasn't had the "giddy up" on his fastball in a lot of those games. At 92-93 he is much more hittable.

Since the break: 7 IP
11 H(he has only given up 28 hits all year and 11 in the last 7 innings) He has also given up quite a few hard hit balls, which he rarely had done pre All Star Break.
5 ER

Now, the good news is that 4 of those runs came tonight all in one game. And he has still struck out 9 in those innings.

I'm not in panic mode or anything, but I think he has been less dominant. I guess I'm worried, at his age, that he is wearing down just a tad bit.


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Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.

I don't know, Grilli hasn't been nearly as sharp since the All Star break. He hasn't had the "giddy up" on his fastball in a lot of those games. At 92-93 he is much more hittable.

Since the break: 7 IP
11 H(he has only given up 28 hits all year and 11 in the last 7 innings) He has also given up quite a few hard hit balls, which he rarely had done pre All Star Break.
5 ER

Now, the good news is that 4 of those runs came tonight all in one game. And he has still struck out 9 in those innings.

I'm not in panic mode or anything, but I think he has been less dominant. I guess I'm worried, at his age, that he is wearing down just a tad bit.


Yeah, I think that's totally valid. I wasn't shocked at what happened to Grilli in that 8th, maybe at just how hard he fell on his face, but he was definitely due for a bad outing. As lights out as he was, like you say, since the break not so much. I don't want to panic either but it's clearly a concern when he fills such an important role in that pen.

It's issues like this that made some people leery of dealing Lincoln. He was great insurance for a problem such as Grilli sputtering.


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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Pirates4real wrote:
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Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.

I don't know, Grilli hasn't been nearly as sharp since the All Star break. He hasn't had the "giddy up" on his fastball in a lot of those games. At 92-93 he is much more hittable.

Since the break: 7 IP
11 H(he has only given up 28 hits all year and 11 in the last 7 innings) He has also given up quite a few hard hit balls, which he rarely had done pre All Star Break.
5 ER

Now, the good news is that 4 of those runs came tonight all in one game. And he has still struck out 9 in those innings.

I'm not in panic mode or anything, but I think he has been less dominant. I guess I'm worried, at his age, that he is wearing down just a tad bit.


Yeah, I think that's totally valid. I wasn't shocked at what happened to Grilli in that 8th, maybe at just how hard he fell on his face, but he was definitely due for a bad outing. As lights out as he was, like you say, since the break not so much. I don't want to panic either but it's clearly a concern when he fills such an important role in that pen.

It's issues like this that made some people leery of dealing Lincoln. He was great insurance for a problem such as Grilli sputtering.


Grilli will bounce back. The pen will be okay. At the heart of some of these problems since the break is the rotation faltering a little, particularly JMac. The pen has had to work a little overtime with the starters not giving them as many innings. In addition, hopefully, Cruz will be back soon. For some reason, a lot of fans don't seem to like Cruz, but all in all, he has done a pretty good job.

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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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Pitching (relief) was the obvious goat last night but we have to do a better job plating runs when we have the opportunity. The double play balls the last couple of series have been madding. And last night in the 7th we could have potentially changed the outcome with a strong inning. Marte ties it up with the homer. We proceed to load the bases with no outs and all we manage to do is score one run on a sacrifice. Right now we are soooooooo unclutch it's not even funny.


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Scrap Iron wrote:
Chris Anderson wrote:
Bob in Boston wrote:
Off night for Grilli. $%#!


Ugh...understatement of the season. He's been great all year, so one game will not a lynching bring...however, get your head back in the game Grilli...September is coming!!

Agreed. Can't grill Cheese for one off night (sorry...).


Did anyone see him throw a single breaking ball? It was just an endless stream of 93 mph fastballs that were arrow straight.


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 Post subject: Re: 8-7-12 DBack @ Pirates
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bucco boy wrote:
Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.


Like I said, Hughes has become a problem.

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Grilli, ah not a problem. Hughes. All of the sudden looking like a problem.


Like I said, Hughes has become a problem.

And it's easily identifiable: he can't strike out batters. My guess is that he doesn't have an out pitch.

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