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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:24 pm 
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His stuff. His potential. He had started to get it together when they put him back in the pen. I know people find a niche, and maybe the bullpen is his. But maybe, he has just figured out how to pitch...regardless. I feel like you should put your best arms in the rotation if they have the pitches...Lincoln does. Occasionally you have to look past the numbers a little.

I see that as an argument for trying Lincoln as a starter in the future, which I would happily support. But I fail to see the wisdom in experimenting with one of our best relievers while we are in the middle of a playoff race. Lincoln has been excellent in the pen, and his excellence is part of why the Pirates are in the position to contend for the division. We should not mess with that.

I tend to agree with the "don't mess with success" idea, however the way our starters are pitching the back end of the bullpen won't be needed. Starting pitching trumps relief pitching.


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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His stuff. His potential. He had started to get it together when they put him back in the pen. I know people find a niche, and maybe the bullpen is his. But maybe, he has just figured out how to pitch...regardless. I feel like you should put your best arms in the rotation if they have the pitches...Lincoln does. Occasionally you have to look past the numbers a little.

I see that as an argument for trying Lincoln as a starter in the future, which I would happily support. But I fail to see the wisdom in experimenting with one of our best relievers while we are in the middle of a playoff race. Lincoln has been excellent in the pen, and his excellence is part of why the Pirates are in the position to contend for the division. We should not mess with that.


Who said anything about experimentation? Lincoln's last start was perhaps the best start of any pitcher this year. Or do you have something to prove otherwise from not watching the game?

One start out of how many? You're cherry picking to support your point here, much like you are with Bedard.

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:25 pm 
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What's that stench? Our starting pitching? Nooooooo.

It's Casey McGehee. Boy has been awful.

Yea...I'd be happy to see him included in a trade. Terrible!!!


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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PirateParrot wrote:
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His stuff. His potential. He had started to get it together when they put him back in the pen. I know people find a niche, and maybe the bullpen is his. But maybe, he has just figured out how to pitch...regardless. I feel like you should put your best arms in the rotation if they have the pitches...Lincoln does. Occasionally you have to look past the numbers a little.

I see that as an argument for trying Lincoln as a starter in the future, which I would happily support. But I fail to see the wisdom in experimenting with one of our best relievers while we are in the middle of a playoff race. Lincoln has been excellent in the pen, and his excellence is part of why the Pirates are in the position to contend for the division. We should not mess with that.

I tend to agree with the "don't mess with success" idea, however the way our starters are pitching the back end of the bullpen won't be needed. Starting pitching trumps relief pitching.

And Lincoln's starting pitching thus far has been unacceptable. Or do you not remember his first three starts this season?

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:28 pm 
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Wonder what Becket would cost us.

Rest of 12 & 2013 rotation:

AJ Burnett
Wandy Rodriguez
Josh Beckett
Jeff Karstens
James McDonald

Potential Starters:
Brad Lincoln
Garrett Cole
Justin Wilson
Jeff Locke

Package something where you acquire Beckett & Cody Ross. Eat enough of Beckett's salary with a package of non elite prospects to make it work.

1b Jones
2b Walker
3b Pedro
SS Barmes
LF Marte
CF Cutch
RF Ross
C Fort

Potential/ Alternate/ Back Up Starters:

1b Jeff Clement
2/3b Josh Harrison
2/3b Jordy Mercer
2/3b Chase D'arnaud
2/3b Brock Holt
SS Chase D'arnaud
OF Alex Presley
OF Jose Tabata


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Cubs roster being gutted...maybe they'll have to forfeit :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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And Lincoln's starting pitching thus far has been unacceptable. Or do you not remember his first three starts this season?

yea, and I know he progressively got better. His last start was exceptional. I feel he could be an improvement over what we have now. Just think its something to ponder...


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Wow...another tapper to the right side by Presley....shocking!


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Thrown out stealing, down 9 with Cutch at the plate. Interesting strategy.


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Thrown out stealing, down 9 with Cutch at the plate. Interesting strategy.


Unbelievable. Seriously. Unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:38 pm 
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If Presley ran on his own, I'd advocate a plane ticket to Indy tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:39 pm 
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And Lincoln's starting pitching thus far has been unacceptable. Or do you not remember his first three starts this season?[/quote]

Really?? and what kinda stats are you using for your hypothesis??

What was wrong with his first start, May 14th against Florida? He went 6 innings, 4 hits, 2 walks, 3 Ks, 2 Earned Runs and won 3-2? Is there some stat I am missing that meant that was unacceptable??

Yeah, he slumped a little in a few starts in June, before having perhaps the best start of any pitcher this year on June 24th against the Tigers...and has been pretty much lights out ever since. You don't think there is any chance that he finally started using all his pitches in that last start and put it together? How is 2 great starts and 3 below averages ones unacceptable. Bedard has been making about one good start for every four bad ones and you believe that is good.

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Poor IA. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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Jack Round Tripper wrote:
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Thrown out stealing, down 9 with Cutch at the plate. Interesting strategy.


Unbelievable. Seriously. Unbelievable.


I think the universe just makes you run in quicksand as you approach the base when you steal down 9. It simply can't allow something so stupid to succeed. Would set a bad precedent.


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
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No. 9 wrote:
If Presley ran on his own, I'd advocate a plane ticket to Indy tonight.

And what if he didn't run on his own???


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:42 pm 
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Then I highly disagree with whoever called it from the dugout.

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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:43 pm 
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Send Hurdle to Indy?


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:45 pm 
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Damn. This game's really going to kill the Pirate's Pythagorean record.


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 Post subject: Re: July 30, 2012 Pirates (58-43) at Cubs (42-58)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:46 pm 
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Initial stories suggest Reed Johnson to Detroit and Soto to the Mets.

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Damn. This game's really going to kill the Pirate's Pythagorean record.


I hear you. A x3 loss!

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