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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Our bats are dormant. Too many streaky hitters. Presley is terrible. McGehee is terrible.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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One of those days. Again, I will take a game like this after winning 4 in a row. The Reds are going to lose sometime. Take your lumps. Leave Correia eat the rest of the innings to save the pen, and start over tomorrow!

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The Pirates NEED A BAT!

And the starting pitchers are not going to hold up. I just don't think they're that good for the long haul.

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Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Our bats are dormant. Too many streaky hitters. Presley is terrible. McGehee is terrible.



I find it amazing that with the history of the Pirates they have had very few great 1st basemen. I even went back to look thinking I had forgot someone. And there were a few names I'd forgotten but still very few All Star types.


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MoTownWV wrote:
Mister Pittsburgh wrote:
Our bats are dormant. Too many streaky hitters. Presley is terrible. McGehee is terrible.



I find it amazing that with the history of the Pirates they have had very few great 1st basemen. I even went back to look thinking I had forgot someone. And there were a few names I'd forgotten but still very few All Star types.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:09 pm 
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One of those days. Again, I will take a game like this after winning 4 in a row. The Reds are going to lose sometime. Take your lumps. Leave Correia eat the rest of the innings to save the pen, and start over tomorrow!

Yes, it was one of those days. Had it come against, say, St. Louis or the Mets or Phillies, it could be laughed off. But against what now is basically a AAA team, mired in a 12-game losing streak, and you have your supposed best pitcher starting, this was inexcusably bad. Don't know about you, Animal, but aside from the home runs the Pirates hit in this series, I don't find much else to take away from it that's positive.

Charlie over at Bucs Dugout puts it about as well as anyone could, I think:

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Just about any time you take three of four in a series, it's a good thing, but this four-game stretch was alarming. The Pirates won three games not really because they played well, but because the Astros are a disaster. Then their ace pitched the fourth game and walked seven batters, meaning that he's now walked 19 batters in his last four starts.


I'll be back up for tomorrow's game, but right now I'm not happy. This ought to have been a sweep. And I don't say that just because the Bucs are in a playoff hunt.

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Less than 72 hours to acquire a bat. We need one, badly.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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McDonald needs to pull his head out of his ass and find that chip he misplaced & put it right back on his shoulder. Enough with the half season performers around here!


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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I don't think anyone seems to be sounding the alarm but it's how the Pirates won these three games against Houston and how the lost today's game....not very convincingly with the wins and an obviously bad loss with JMac continuing not to find his form...against a poor team like Houston.

I'm not sure about the path going forward. It doesn't give me a confident feeling at all.

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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:18 pm 
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MoTownWV wrote:
I find it amazing that with the history of the Pirates they have had very few great 1st basemen. I even went back to look thinking I had forgot someone. And there were a few names I'd forgotten but still very few All Star types.

Umm, Willie Stargell.

Well, if today wasn't further evidence of us needing another bat, well then, Huntington needs to just come flat out and admit he's not interested in taking advantage of this year. With McCutchen sitting out today (why?) we fielded a team where 5 of the 8 position players were hitting .235 or less. The MLB average this season is .254. And it's not like we're any good at small ball either. We are 29th in walks, we are 26th in stolen bases and last in stealing percentage. About all we do well, other than Cutch, is hit the timely HR. And yes, we are doing that very well. But it is hard to live that close to the knife's edge. We need another bat, and one better than Marte is going to be able to offer. My fear for this season is that we are wasting a career year from McCutchen, as well as our bullpen. We're good enough to make a concerted charge to the playoffs. At the start of the year, of course I would have been giddy with delight at the simple prospect of getting 19 straight losing seasons off our backs, but that was before McCutchen burst out of the gates, the bullpen has been one of the best of all time (!) and we've suddenly developed some power. There are still two days left...


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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val wrote:
MoTownWV wrote:
I find it amazing that with the history of the Pirates they have had very few great 1st basemen. I even went back to look thinking I had forgot someone. And there were a few names I'd forgotten but still very few All Star types.

Umm, Willie Stargell.
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I have a hard time calling someone that played 1,300 games in the outfield a
1st baseman even if he also played 850 there.


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Best first baseman we had in the last decade we dumped like garbage, Adam LaRoache.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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MoTownWV wrote:
I have a hard time calling someone that played 1,300 games in the outfield a
1st baseman even if he also played 850 there.

I get that. Let's face it, Pops played a lot games. But, he did win a WS and his MVP playing first. He gets to be counted as a great Buc first baseman.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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val wrote:
MoTownWV wrote:
I have a hard time calling someone that played 1,300 games in the outfield a
1st baseman even if he also played 850 there.

I get that. Let's face it, Pops played a lot games. But, he did win a WS and his MVP playing first. He gets to be counted as a great Buc first baseman.



Even including him, the selection of quality 1st baseman is pretty thin for a 125 yr old franchise and basically non-existent over the last 25 yrs. That is pretty remarkable considering that was usually the deepest position in baseball through the steroid era.


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MoTownWV wrote:
Even including him, the selection of quality 1st baseman is pretty thin for a 125 yr old franchise and basically non-existent over the last 25 yrs. That is pretty remarkable considering that was usually the deepest position in baseball through the steroid era.

And that's one of the reasons we've sucked for so long. Hey, that could be a marketing solution: We sucked, but at least we were clean :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:19 pm 
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Fifth best record in baseball...

One of six teams more than 10 games over...

http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/group/9

Bring on the Cubs.

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Al Oliver, Bob Robertson....Oliver moved to the OF to allow Starg to move to 1B. Bob Robertson was a great fielding 1B with power who succumbed to bad knees.

Oh, and don't knock the Rock.... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)


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1B Kevin Young, aka KY, was one of our first big signings after PNC Park opened up LOL.


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Al Oliver, Bob Robertson....

Robertson was sooo good his first two years. I liked him as one of my top-5 Buccos when I was young (Clemente #1, Hebner #2, Stargell #3 in 1970-1972, Sanguillen #4 ... then Robertson and Blass).

He just seemed to disappear in 1972 and thereafter. What the heck happened?


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 Post subject: Re: July 29, 2012 Pirates (58-42) at Astros (34-68)
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Bob - I think that Wilmoth hit the nail on the head with what you quoted. Watching the games over the past four days left me with a really uneasy feeling. It felt like the Astros were inventing ways to hand victories to the Pirates as opposed to the Pirates going out and taking an inferior team to the woodshed . . . which is exactly what the Reds have been doing to their opponents. I'm certainly not disappointed with an 8-5 record after the All Star break but there hasn't been a ton of great baseball played by the Bucs in those 13 games.

A number of bats need to wake up and wake up fast. I'm hoping that Wrigley Field provides that wake up call.

A small part of me is secretly hoping that the Bucs are guilty of "looking ahead" a bit and that yesterday's debacle - less in the result and moreso in the style of play and approach at the bat - will help the team re-focus.

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