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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:05 pm 
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We're going to have to take our medicine this year. I still am somewhat optimistic (for being a Pirates fan) that we can be decent in 2014 but let's face it...this group is going to be terri-bad this year. It's unfortunate because you'd like to see us gradually build up each season and then become legit. Look at this lineup. It's professional sports...magic doesn't just happen. This lineup wouldn't be a very good AAA team as far as offensive output goes. Records are going to be broken...but not the good kind.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:09 pm 
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This team is a lead-pipe stone-cold mortal lock to lose 100 games. Unfathomly brutal. Hurdle should buy stock in Maalox.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:10 pm 
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buccosfan77 wrote:
I'm just tired of seeing this organization miss on high end draft choices. That's what it is. At least if some of these guys would pan out you'd have something to build around but currently that's not happening. It can't be just one guy, not when you're a small market club. That can't happen. It takes this franchise way to long to develop players and for the most part they don't develop at all. Even when it looks good at first (Alvarez) it still ends up being bad. Can't catch a break.

Am I wrong to think this?

I'm 22 years old and haven't seen a PBC win anything. How long does it take to rebuild a franchise?


The way the system is set up you simply can't afford to miss with top draft picks. You just can't. From all appearances Alvarez is set to become one of the bigger busts ever. He's horrible and he knows it. With each ridiculous at bat the pressure mounts. It's tough to deal with but what can you do.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:22 pm 
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I don't know anyone who didn't agree with the Alvarez pick-media, fans, scouts. It sucks that he hasn't panned out yet but too early to give up.

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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:24 pm 
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bucco boy wrote:
I don't know anyone who didn't agree with the Alvarez pick-media, fans, scouts. It sucks that he hasn't panned out yet but too early to give up.


He will be great for his next team.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:29 pm 
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As someone who supported and stayed with Alverez all last year, I have to say that he has not gotten better over the winter. He looks lost at times again this year and has little positive to show so far. My opinion is that given a few weeks to evaluate any progress must be enough. Soon (another week) they need to put McGehee in as the third sacker and send him down.

I'm certain he has been given every chance because NH drafted him and paid 6 million. No one wants to admit a mistake but stubborn refusal to see reality can cost you your job!!!

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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:29 pm 
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words cannot express how upset I along with all of you are with this offense.

it is embarrassing to constantly look like double A players (I dont want to insult triple A players by comparing them to the Pirates)

while I am not a "the sky is falling" type...pedro better find some shelter because, his sky is falling really fast, the guy has no clue, and I would like to say he has time, I just think he will not work to try and get better.

As of now, like a few people have said, once this offense gets worse and the pitching drops off, I see us finishing with less than 55 wins, I would not be shocked if we challenge the 03 tigers for worst record in MLB history. Lets face it, bedard is a injury waiting to happen, and everyone else on the staff are journeymen. The lineup has so many automatic outs, and simple things like a runner on third with nobody out and he cannot score just show how bad we are.

I can't calm down because I am tired of watching this team be such a laughing stock for sports, how can we have America's worst sports franchise in a city that has such a strong sports background.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:36 am 
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I feel your pain.

Trust me, batterup, Kerwin, 77, etc., watch the games for fun. They are not paying you to watch, and no Pittsburgh Pirate will be at home tonight, typing on a message board about upset he is regarding your terrible day at work.

If you don't enjoy how the game is going, change the channel. I start watching pretty much every game that I can, work permitting, and wind up turning off most of them.

I don't get upset about the Pirates. What good will it do? If my wife or kids' health depended on the score, or if my mortgage payment went down when the Pirates won, then fine.

Thank God it doesn't, and won't. So the Pirates lost again? So they get one hit, from the freaking pitcher?

Seriously, so what???


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:40 am 
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Go into it expecting a loss and you will not be disappointed. Really, how could you expect anything else after 19 years of losing? It's not like we've had reason to think it was going to turn around this year.

You guys are overreacting. They are not as bad as they have looked.

They may very well lose 100 games, but that is no where near a certainty at this point. I would bet a large sum of money that they won't lose that many.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:34 am 
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Bucfan wrote:
I feel your pain.

Trust me, batterup, Kerwin, 77, etc., watch the games for fun. They are not paying you to watch, and no Pittsburgh Pirate will be at home tonight, typing on a message board about upset he is regarding your terrible day at work.

If you don't enjoy how the game is going, change the channel. I start watching pretty much every game that I can, work permitting, and wind up turning off most of them.

I don't get upset about the Pirates. What good will it do? If my wife or kids' health depended on the score, or if my mortgage payment went down when the Pirates won, then fine.

Thank God it doesn't, and won't. So the Pirates lost again? So they get one hit, from the freaking pitcher?

Seriously, so what???

C'mon Bucfan...not you too??? Are you going to start telling people to go do some gardening too? Not one person here said they were comparing the Pirates peril to their family's health or to their mortgage, etc.

If you are a diehard fan then you invest like this in the team. And when they look like this it is frustrating...ESPECIALLY AFTER 19 YEARS!! These message boards are here for fans to vent, and that is all anyone above was doing. As someone who considers himself a diehard/fanatic I am completely disgusted with this start to the season. I do think it is a bit premature to jump off a cliff(or in this case give up on a certain third baseman...and I use that term loosely). I usually watch the game until the end, unless they put me to sleep :D . Anyway, no disrespect intended but if people want to watch games and then vent...why not. I certainly don't blame anyone for that with this team's performance so far...

And here's hoping Mr. Huntington puts on his creative thinking cap and figures a way to inject some offense into this organization. MLB level bleak and not a lot of "pop" on the way from below...


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:28 pm 
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MoTownWV wrote:
bucco boy wrote:
I don't know anyone who didn't agree with the Alvarez pick-media, fans, scouts. It sucks that he hasn't panned out yet but too early to give up.


He will be great for his next team.


I was thinking this same thing. I still fully expect Pedro Alvarez to hit his potential, I just have a bad feeling it won't happen until he's 28 and playing for another franchise.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:35 pm 
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Steelcurtain512 wrote:
MoTownWV wrote:
bucco boy wrote:
I don't know anyone who didn't agree with the Alvarez pick-media, fans, scouts. It sucks that he hasn't panned out yet but too early to give up.


He will be great for his next team.


I was thinking this same thing. I still fully expect Pedro Alvarez to hit his potential, I just have a bad feeling it won't happen until he's 28 and playing for another franchise.


That's only if the Pirates choose to release or trade him. He will be 30 when he is free agent.

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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:53 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
I feel your pain.

Trust me, batterup, Kerwin, 77, etc., watch the games for fun. They are not paying you to watch, and no Pittsburgh Pirate will be at home tonight, typing on a message board about upset he is regarding your terrible day at work.

If you don't enjoy how the game is going, change the channel. I start watching pretty much every game that I can, work permitting, and wind up turning off most of them.

I don't get upset about the Pirates. What good will it do? If my wife or kids' health depended on the score, or if my mortgage payment went down when the Pirates won, then fine.

Thank God it doesn't, and won't. So the Pirates lost again? So they get one hit, from the freaking pitcher?

Seriously, so what???

C'mon Bucfan...not you too??? Are you going to start telling people to go do some gardening too? Not one person here said they were comparing the Pirates peril to their family's health or to their mortgage, etc.

If you are a diehard fan then you invest like this in the team. And when they look like this it is frustrating...ESPECIALLY AFTER 19 YEARS!! These message boards are here for fans to vent, and that is all anyone above was doing. As someone who considers himself a diehard/fanatic I am completely disgusted with this start to the season. I do think it is a bit premature to jump off a cliff(or in this case give up on a certain third baseman...and I use that term loosely). I usually watch the game until the end, unless they put me to sleep :D . Anyway, no disrespect intended but if people want to watch games and then vent...why not. I certainly don't blame anyone for that with this team's performance so far...

And here's hoping Mr. Huntington puts on his creative thinking cap and figures a way to inject some offense into this organization. MLB level bleak and not a lot of "pop" on the way from below...


well said...and for the record bucfan, I came home from work and held my newborn daughter, fed her, changed diapers and watched the highlights on mlb network...I just came on here to vent because like the parrot said, 19+ years and the same old crap...


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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Okay.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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Such a waste of some damn good pitching... 8-) 8-) 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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buccosfan77 wrote:
I'm just tired of seeing this organization miss on high end draft choices. That's what it is. At least if some of these guys would pan out you'd have something to build around but currently that's not happening. It can't be just one guy, not when you're a small market club. That can't happen. It takes this franchise way to long to develop players and for the most part they don't develop at all. Even when it looks good at first (Alvarez) it still ends up being bad. Can't catch a break.

Am I wrong to think this?

I'm 22 years old and haven't seen a PBC win anything. How long does it take to rebuild a franchise?

About 5-7 years, if you do it right. The problem with is that the Pirates never really tried a serious rebuild until they hired Huntington.

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DaveKerwin wrote:
This team is a lead-pipe stone-cold mortal lock to lose 100 games. Unfathomly brutal. Hurdle should buy stock in Maalox.

I'd be glad to take just about any amount of money that you'd care to risk on that lead pipe stone mortal lock.

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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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Substitute2 wrote:
As someone who supported and stayed with Alverez all last year, I have to say that he has not gotten better over the winter. He looks lost at times again this year and has little positive to show so far. My opinion is that given a few weeks to evaluate any progress must be enough. Soon (another week) they need to put McGehee in as the third sacker and send him down.

I'm certain he has been given every chance because NH drafted him and paid 6 million. No one wants to admit a mistake but stubborn refusal to see reality can cost you your job!!!

He's given every chance because he has great talent.

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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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His rookie year and pedigree means he should be given every chance and then more chances and then more after that. We absolutely do not want to dump him (which is what I was alluding to, Bucco Boy) until it's without a shadow of a doubt, that he is a bust.


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 Post subject: Re: April 13, 2012 Pirates (2-4) at Giants (2-4)
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Steelcurtain512 wrote:
His rookie year and pedigree means he should be given every chance and then more chances and then more after that. We absolutely do not want to dump him (which is what I was alluding to, Bucco Boy) until it's without a shadow of a doubt, that he is a bust.


Hey Curtain,

How often do you think those tapes have been revisted by the coaching staff over the past season or so? Pedro first came up and tore the ball off the cover, especially in September, under a different coaching staff. Surely, Hurdle as a former and current hitting coach, as he will always be, can see what kind of adjustments pitchers have made to Pedro during that time and now.

When Hurdle first came over as the skipper I was really excited knowing that his pedigree was hitting. Lately I've been really impressed, last season and early into this season with Ray Searage.


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