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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:19 pm 
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Don't think this changes anything, Wood. You're still a scrub.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:51 pm 
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Anyone know off the top of their head how many lead off walks Veras has allowed in close games? I know of at least 3.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:52 pm 
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$%&! you, Veras.

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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:53 pm 
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I don't have an exact figure, but I'd some somewhere between a lot and too many.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:54 pm 
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TheShark wrote:
Anyone know off the top of their head how many lead off walks Veras has allowed in close games? I know of at least 3.


I can also recall him twice walking someone to load the bases.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:13 pm 
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Anyone else for sending X-Paul down and bringing Presley up? If he doesn't pass through waivers, so what? What can Paul do that Presley can't?


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:16 pm 
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This hasn't been Paul's best game, but I think he's been more consistent at the plate than Jones and Diaz. Of the three, I think Diaz should go down, if possible.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:32 pm 
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Raise it!!

One thing I really, REALLY like about Hurdle - he uses the "hot" reliever until he is not hot any more and then moves on to the guy that is.

Case in point ... Resop was hot, used him, then not, moved on to Veras.

Veras was hot, used him, now he's not, move on to Wood.

Wood is hot, still hot, use him.

Watson is hot, use him.

Short relievers benefit from not having been seen. Wood and Watson can deal, and to batters not used to them, advantage - pitcher.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:35 pm 
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J_C_Steel wrote:
Anyone else for sending X-Paul down and bringing Presley up? If he doesn't pass through waivers, so what? What can Paul do that Presley can't?


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:45 pm 
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Bucfan wrote:
Raise it!!

Just for the record, the Pirates did not win their 32nd game last year until July 18 -- three days after the All-Star break. After 65 games, they were 23-42 and in the midst of a 12-game losing streak.

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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:17 pm 
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I did not like Hurdles managing tonight. I think he should have left Maholm in the game. He was cruising and then you only let him pitch 7 innings. Also, why not pinch hit for Xavier Paul with the bases loaded and 1 out in the bottom of the 8th. Paul looked like a AA player during that AB.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:03 am 
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The bullpen has been pretty good, the setup man and closer are there purposes like tonight.

Also, Hurdle probably had the thought of his last outing against the Mets in his head when Paul was in there a little too long and blew a 7-0 lead.

Paul doesnt have the velocity that Veras, Wood, Watson, and Hanrahan have...They saw 'soft' stuff all night and saw him 3 times already tonight. "Give'em the heat Ricky"

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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:32 am 
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I hate that we basically have to pitch perfect every night or else we lose.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
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Steelcurtain512 wrote:
I hate that we basically have to pitch perfect every night or else we lose.

Just hold on until Doumit and Alvarez are back in the line-up.

Every win ... every 3-1 or 2-0 win ... that keeps the team near .500 until those two hitters return, is a step towards a winning season.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
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Having Doumit and Alvarez being back in the lineup won't mean jack until they can prove they can hit as well. :(


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
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Pedro needs to get his shit together when he returns, agreed. But I'd much rather see him up there taking at bats, for good or bad, than seeing Brandon Wood. I guess we can see it as a positive that we're winning games without Pedro in the lineup. Most of the elite third basemen in the league have been on and off injured this season, so at least we're not alone in our barren production from third.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:56 am 
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RTJR wrote:
Having Doumit and Alvarez being back in the lineup won't mean jack until they can prove they can hit as well. :(

Doumit was hitting before he was hurt ... Alvarez hit in the minors and last September.

Look at it this way - Doumit and Alvarez have to give the team more offense than Dusty Brown and Brandon Wood.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
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Yeah, seriously. I have much more faith in Pedro turning it around than I do in Brandon Wood ever becoming a productive every-day player. And Doumit's problems have never been at the plate, they've been behind the plate, or anywhere else they play him, along with his major problem, of simply staying healthy.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
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Doumit had a little streak in May, but was really hit or miss for most of the season. He was batting .268. Decent, but nothing spectacular.

As far as Pedro goes, I don't care if he was hitting last season. This year, he's been a K machine.

This is really just a cycle fans go through. Player A struggles, they call for him to be sat or go to the minors to "work things out". Player A gets hurt, goes to the DL, his replacements struggle, and, suddenly, he's the cure to all their problems. There's no reason to suspect that Player A is going to step in and be that cure, but that doesn't stop them.


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 Post subject: Re: 6/13 Mets (32-33) @ Pirates (31-33) Gm 4/4
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:25 am 
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Pedro's going to be a K machine regardless, he just wasn't providing the contact to go along with it. It's one thing to K a lot, it's another to wiff on strikes constantly, like he was doing. It's hard to believe a trend like that will continue with him. He's had a lottttt of time to sit back and see just why he wasn't making contact. Hopefully he'll make those adjustments. If we had a consistent power bat in the lineup all year, we'd probably have 10 more wins at this point.


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