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 Post subject: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:28 pm 
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1. Jose Tabata, LF
2. Neil Walker, 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
4. Garrett Jones, 1B
5. Ryan Doumit, C
6. Ryan Church, RF
7. Andy LaRoche, 3B
8. Ronny Cedeno, SS
9. Brad Lincoln, RHP

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1. Juan Pierre, LF
2. Omar Vizquel, 3B
3. Alex Rios, CF
4. Paul Konerko, 1B
5. Mark Kotsay, RF
6. Alexei Ramirez, SS
7. Ramon Castro, C
8. Gordon Beckham, 2B
9. Freddy Garcia, RHP

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:01 pm 
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Any clue why Church has supplanted Milledge in RF all of a sudden. Milledge (.790 ops in June) finally starts to get it going and he's benched 3 straight games, great move JR. Is this tied to a potential trade to make room for Pearce?

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:04 pm 
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
Any clue why Church has supplanted Milledge in RF all of a sudden. Milledge (.790 ops in June) finally starts to get it going and he's benched 3 straight games, great move JR. Is this tied to a potential trade to make room for Pearce?


Yeah, who knows. Milledge shows a pulse and gets shown the bench.

So this relates also to the "Fire John Russell" post, but how much control do you think JR has over the lineup? If he is making the call for Church to play over Milledge, the front office should be stepping in.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:16 pm 
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jaybee24 wrote:

Yeah, who knows. Milledge shows a pulse and gets shown the bench.

So this relates also to the "Fire John Russell" post, but how much control do you think JR has over the lineup? If he is making the call for Church to play over Milledge, the front office should be stepping in.


That topic came up in the DK chat today and he was adamant that JR is making these decisions with minimal input from NH. Hard to believe he would have chosen to play Doumit at 1B because he was afraid of losing the DH, but maybe he just is that obtuse.

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Barrys Dopers wrote:
jaybee24 wrote:

Yeah, who knows. Milledge shows a pulse and gets shown the bench.

So this relates also to the "Fire John Russell" post, but how much control do you think JR has over the lineup? If he is making the call for Church to play over Milledge, the front office should be stepping in.


That topic came up in the DK chat today and he was adamant that JR is making these decisions with minimal input from NH. Hard to believe he would have chosen to play Doumit at 1B because he was afraid of losing the DH, but maybe he just is that obtuse.


If DK is right, allow me to echo the "Fire John Russell" sentiment on this thread.

If JR is falling on his sword for management, then they can't fire him in good conscience. But the Milledge move would be so nonsensical from a front office standpoint that I can't imagine this is the case.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.


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It will be interesting to see how Milledge reacts when/if he returns. Strikes me as the kind of guy that won't respond positively. At least that's the book on him.

I'd also add that at least Lastings is on base to make base running errors.

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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What is so hard about running the bases, anyway? There are not really a ton of options. I don't get it, yet there's a lot of lousy base running in MLB.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Corsair wrote:
As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.


Yes, now we'll win 70 games instead of 73. The horror.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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jaybee24 wrote:
Corsair wrote:
As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.


Yes, now we'll win 70 games instead of 73. The horror.



Hey a team like this can't just piss away chances. If they had won three or four of those they would be about ten under break even not hurtling towards 25-30 games under for yet another year.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Corsair wrote:
As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.

If that's the case, that's one of the most petty reasons to bench a player for longer than 1 game.

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Willton wrote:
Corsair wrote:
As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.

If that's the case, that's one of the most petty reasons to bench a player for longer than 1 game.


That Milledge baserunning blunder doesn't stand alone.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Amazing, even those of you who want to bench Milledge don't speak well of Church.

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Church now has one hit in June. He is currently batting .067 this month.
Yeah, he should be in the starting 9 tonight :!:

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Church now has one hit in June. He is currently batting .067 this month.
Yeah, he should be in the starting 9 tonight
Church now has one hit in June. He is currently batting .067 this month.
Yeah, he should be in the starting 9 tonight :!:


I guess JR wants to continue to lose. Of course starting LaRoche isn't helping either. Maybe they should start Aki....erm....not.....maybe they should start Crosby............erm not. D. Young and Milledge are the only two other choices. At this point who do you choose? They all suck.

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Pirates

1. Jose Tabata, LF
2. Neil Walker, 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
4. Garrett Jones, 1B
5. Ryan Doumit, C
6. Ryan Church, RF
7. Andy LaRoche, 3B
8. Ronny Cedeno, SS
9. Brad Lincoln, RHP

White Sox

1. Juan Pierre, LF
2. Omar Vizquel, 3B
3. Alex Rios, CF
4. Paul Konerko, 1B
5. Mark Kotsay, RF
6. Alexei Ramirez, SS
7. Ramon Castro, C
8. Gordon Beckham, 2B
9. Freddy Garcia, RHP

Please tell me that's the White Sox Sunday lineup.

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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Corsair wrote:
As I said in another post. We have not seen Milledge since his incredibly stupid baserunning blunder last week, where he went too far off second and could not get back to tag on a warning track out that John Goodman could have walked to 3rd on.

Face it, his utter lack of competence on the base paths have probably cost us at least three games.

And how many games does it cost us to weaken and already weak lineup by playing a guy who is clearly inferior at the plate?

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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
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So Lincoln has already mastered the art of immediately giving up a lead. I can see why they brought him up.


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 Post subject: Re: White Sox vs Pirates 6-15-10
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:43 pm 
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OK, Church over Milledge to start the game is debatable. What I don't see as there being any ounce of argument for is leaving Church in to bat against a tough lefty (Thortnon) with 1 on, down by 1 in the 7th inning.


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