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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Bucfan wrote:
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Harang is a quality pitcher having an unusually bad year ...

Not true, Shark. Harang has been awful for the past three seasons, going 14-36 since the beginning of the 2008 season, with a combined ERA of about 4.60. In that time, Harang has given up 458 hits in 399 innings, including an astounding 69 HR's.

That is truly awful, Shark.


Since when is a 4.60 ERA in three seasons "awful"? It's not ideal, but it's very far from "awful". That's about in line with the Pirates' best SP's career ERA.

I never said he was great, I said he was quality, which he is. Maybe it floors you that he could put together a nice day, but it doesn't me. When you look at that record, consider the Reds' ball clubs the last few seasons. In 2006 I believe it was, he led the NL in strikeouts and complete games. And that's just it: he throws strikes. He would be welcomed on many staffs.


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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:42 am 
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And I'm sure Shark that the Pirates have helped Harang's career more so than any other team.......if I were just guessing and not checking the stats.

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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:16 am 
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Not awful enough for our purposes.

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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:16 am 
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I'm not too disappointed with the offense vs. Harang. We did put up 5 runs. There was a point there where 4 out of 5 guys lined out to outfielders.


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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:19 pm 
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TheShark wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
TheShark wrote:
Harang is a quality pitcher having an unusually bad year ...

Not true, Shark. Harang has been awful for the past three seasons, going 14-36 since the beginning of the 2008 season, with a combined ERA of about 4.60. In that time, Harang has given up 458 hits in 399 innings, including an astounding 69 HR's.

That is truly awful, Shark.


Since when is a 4.60 ERA in three seasons "awful"? It's not ideal, but it's very far from "awful". That's about in line with the Pirates' best SP's career ERA.

I never said he was great, I said he was quality, which he is. Maybe it floors you that he could put together a nice day, but it doesn't me. When you look at that record, consider the Reds' ball clubs the last few seasons. In 2006 I believe it was, he led the NL in strikeouts and complete games. And that's just it: he throws strikes. He would be welcomed on many staffs.


Just to take the middle road, I'd say he's been somewhere better than awful and worse than quality in the last three seasons. His ERA+ in 2008 and 2009 was 93 (slightly below average) and 102 (very slightly above). As Bucfan pointed out, he gave up a ton of homers, but he had a K/BB ratio of 3, which is pretty solid. He has been terrible so far this year. I'd still probably take him on the Pirates.


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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:26 pm 
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When I watch Harang, I see what Dan McCutch probably should be. Both good (strike thrower) and bad (eminently hittable)

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 Post subject: Re: May 24, 2010 Reds (25-19) vs Pirates (19-25)
PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 6:29 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
When I watch Harang, I see what Dan McCutch probably should be. Both good (strike thrower) and bad (eminently hittable)

ZM

And McCutchen, like Harang, is a fly ball pitcher who has been plagued with HR's over his career.

P.S. If you want to know how good Aaron Harang is, go check the Reds' message boards. Reds fans are, shall we say, not enamored with Harang. So Shark, take no affront from my comments. Harang should not turn into harangue.*

* harangue: –noun
1. a scolding or a long or intense verbal attack; diatribe.
2. a long, passionate, and vehement speech, esp. one delivered before a public gathering.
3. any long, pompous speech or writing of a tediously hortatory or didactic nature; sermonizing lecture or discourse.


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