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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:35 am 
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As I said before, he will never contribute to a winning team. I was willing to give the guy a chance and let him show he had waht it took and earned a position, but the Bucs promoted him without earning it, just like the Mets and Nats.


He was hitting .333 in Indianapolis. What more would you have liked to have seen? Your unwarranted vendetta didn't make much sense before, now it's bordering on retarded. BTW, Lastings has raised his BA over 40 points in the 9 games he's been with the Pirates.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:25 am 
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As I said before, he will never contribute to a winning team. I was willing to give the guy a chance and let him show he had waht it took and earned a position, but the Bucs promoted him without earning it, just like the Mets and Nats.


He was hitting .333 in Indianapolis. What more would you have liked to have seen? Your unwarranted vendetta didn't make much sense before, now it's bordering on retarded. BTW, Lastings has raised his BA over 40 points in the 9 games he's been with the Pirates.


More time at AAA. He basically has not played AAA much in his career. He needed more time there. Huge mistake by the Pirate organization. This is one move made by NH that was a mistake. Time will show it. I just hope he doesn't negatively influence Cutch or some of the other young players.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:39 pm 
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You guys are unbelievable.

The Pittsburgh Pirates of August, 2009, are nowhere near the Pittsburgh Pirates of June, 2009 in terms of being competitive on a major league level (not that the June team was a killer). I will not disparage or put the badmouth on any particular player or member of the PBC (except NH and the FO) because everyone knew this was going to happen.

Everyone on here was saying "blow it up", using words like "upside", and "when, if, whenever, 2011 is the year", and on and on and on.

Well, you've got your way. You now have a minor league club playing a major league schedule at PNC, and you're still not happy. Now it's "fire JR", "trade triple chinned Capps", "Milledge was overrated", "Moss stinks", and on and on and on.

You guys asked for it........you got it. So perhaps it's time to shut up.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Steve1118 wrote:
You guys are unbelievable.

The Pittsburgh Pirates of August, 2009, are nowhere near the Pittsburgh Pirates of June, 2009 in terms of being competitive on a major league level (not that the June team was a killer). I will not disparage or put the badmouth on any particular player or member of the PBC (except NH and the FO) because everyone knew this was going to happen.

Everyone on here was saying "blow it up", using words like "upside", and "when, if, whenever, 2011 is the year", and on and on and on.

Well, you've got your way. You now have a minor league club playing a major league schedule at PNC, and you're still not happy. Now it's "fire JR", "trade triple chinned Capps", "Milledge was overrated", "Moss stinks", and on and on and on.

You guys asked for it........you got it. So perhaps it's time to shut up.



I was against the Milledge/Morgan trade from day 1. That trade weakened us at 2 positions. We traded 2 better players for 2 lesser players...granted one with some possible upside, but too much baggage. That is the only major complaint I have had.


I think the only MAJOR problem is the weakened bullpen, which has contributed greatly to our recent losses, in addition to having an absolute loser in LF.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:22 pm 
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PirateParrot wrote:
Could you maybe give a reason how Milledge has caused this losing streak?? I mean other than your increasingly annoying hatred for the guy... He has been far from great, but he does at least occasionally put his bat on the ball which is more than we can say for your buddy Moss. For God sakes he is 24 years old. Has upside. How about you give it a rest. You are getting as bad as estrago as far as your constant ranting about the same thing.


Yeah, it's all Milledge's fault...like his throw the other night from LF that popped out of Jaramillo's glove that would have been a 3rd out, he easily had the runner nailed...then the D'Backs went on to score a few more runs that inning and they lost...It was his fault totally...

Animal, this grudge against Milledge is borderline childish...

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Steve1118 wrote:
So perhaps it's time to shut up.


Maybe you should heed some of your own advice...

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Steve1118 wrote:
You guys are unbelievable.

The Pittsburgh Pirates of August, 2009, are nowhere near the Pittsburgh Pirates of June, 2009 in terms of being competitive on a major league level (not that the June team was a killer). I will not disparage or put the badmouth on any particular player or member of the PBC (except NH and the FO) because everyone knew this was going to happen.

Everyone on here was saying "blow it up", using words like "upside", and "when, if, whenever, 2011 is the year", and on and on and on.

Well, you've got your way. You now have a minor league club playing a major league schedule at PNC, and you're still not happy. Now it's "fire JR", "trade triple chinned Capps", "Milledge was overrated", "Moss stinks", and on and on and on.

You guys asked for it........you got it. So perhaps it's time to shut up.

I just took a look at some stats. So far, it looks like the offense is about the same as before the trade deadline (4.11 runs per game in August, 4.12 runs per game in April-July; 7.17 OPS in August, .708 OPS in April-July). The starting pitching is also about the same (ERA 4.53 in August, 4.45 in April-July; Innings/Start: 5.912 vs 5.96). The only area that has been demonstrably worse is the bullpen (ERA 7.71 vs 4.02). I'm sure they are also suffering a bit defensively but I'm too lazy to figure out how to measure that.

An eight game losing streak at home is bad, no question. But the fact is the team, except for the bullpen, has been playing well enough to win most games. I'm not overly concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:56 pm 
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burghermeister wrote:
Steve1118 wrote:
You guys are unbelievable.

The Pittsburgh Pirates of August, 2009, are nowhere near the Pittsburgh Pirates of June, 2009 in terms of being competitive on a major league level (not that the June team was a killer). I will not disparage or put the badmouth on any particular player or member of the PBC (except NH and the FO) because everyone knew this was going to happen.

Everyone on here was saying "blow it up", using words like "upside", and "when, if, whenever, 2011 is the year", and on and on and on.

Well, you've got your way. You now have a minor league club playing a major league schedule at PNC, and you're still not happy. Now it's "fire JR", "trade triple chinned Capps", "Milledge was overrated", "Moss stinks", and on and on and on.

You guys asked for it........you got it. So perhaps it's time to shut up.

I just took a look at some stats. So far, it looks like the offense is about the same as before the trade deadline (4.11 runs per game in August, 4.12 runs per game in April-July; 7.17 OPS in August, .708 OPS in April-July). The starting pitching is also about the same (ERA 4.53 in August, 4.45 in April-July; Innings/Start: 5.912 vs 5.96). The only area that has been demonstrably worse is the bullpen (ERA 7.71 vs 4.02). I'm sure they are also suffering a bit defensively but I'm too lazy to figure out how to measure that.

An eight game losing streak at home is bad, no question. But the fact is the team, except for the bullpen, has been playing well enough to win most games. I'm not overly concerned.

The losing streak is just a symptom of the game of baseball. Plenty of teams go through winning and losing streaks. I remember when the Dodgers had a 11-game losing streak and ended up winning the NL West. The fact that the Pirates are going through one now is not somehow indicative of their talent level. Sometimes the losses that a team like this is expected to have just appear consecutively. Losing streaks are a drag to watch, but they happen. Big deal.

Oh, and anyone that thinks I'm trying to compare the Dodgers to the Pirates has lost all semblance of logical thinking.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Here is what having a bad teammate looks like.

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/1527279.html

We haven't seen any of these articles in Pittsburgh.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:29 pm 
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Thunder wrote:
Here is what having a bad teammate looks like.

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/1527279.html

We haven't seen any of these articles in Pittsburgh.


No, but they have seen them in Washington and New York. How long will it be until we see it in Pittsburgh.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Animal wrote:
Thunder wrote:
Here is what having a bad teammate looks like.

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/1527279.html

We haven't seen any of these articles in Pittsburgh.


No, but they have seen them in Washington and New York. How long will it be until we see it in Pittsburgh.


If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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omgardd wrote:
If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.

Haven't you heard? Lastings Milledge also goes by the name "Elijah Dukes" and has been arrested 7 times.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Yeah. I'm afraid no matter how much you have to tell this dunce that, and point out how wrong he is over and over and over and over again, he will never lose his hard on for Lastings Milledge.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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omgardd wrote:
Animal wrote:
Thunder wrote:
Here is what having a bad teammate looks like.

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/1527279.html

We haven't seen any of these articles in Pittsburgh.


No, but they have seen them in Washington and New York. How long will it be until we see it in Pittsburgh.


If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.


It is. His problems with teammates have been well documented. No need to rehash them here.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Sure. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Animal wrote:
omgardd wrote:
If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.


It is. His problems with teammates have been well documented. No need to rehash them here.

That's a cop-out, Animal. The fact that you've been called to show us articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate and still have not shown them says to me that you are talking out of your ass. It's time to put up or shut up.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Willton wrote:
Animal wrote:
omgardd wrote:
If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.


It is. His problems with teammates have been well documented. No need to rehash them here.

That's a cop-out, Animal. The fact that you've been called to show us articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate and still have not shown them says to me that you are talking out of your ass. It's time to put up or shut up.


Lets hope for shut up...this whole thing is very tired...


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Willton wrote:
Animal wrote:
omgardd wrote:
If there have been articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate in Washington and New York they shouldn't be hard to find and post here.


It is. His problems with teammates have been well documented. No need to rehash them here.

That's a cop-out, Animal. The fact that you've been called to show us articles about how Milledge is a bad teammate and still have not shown them says to me that you are talking out of your ass. It's time to put up or shut up.


I've shown them over and over. Yes, I did err when I somehow ended up with an article about Dukes and all his children, but admitted so.

The rest of the stuff about Milledge and his problems, getting kicked out of school, having problems with teammates, etc, have been well documented. No cop out. They have been posted here. They have been discussed. Believe what you want. All hail Lastings Milledge!

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Animal wrote:
I've shown them over and over. Yes, I did err when I somehow ended up with an article about Dukes and all his children, but admitted so.

The rest of the stuff about Milledge and his problems, getting kicked out of school, having problems with teammates, etc, have been well documented. No cop out. They have been posted here. They have been discussed. Believe what you want. All hail Lastings Milledge!

If they are well documented, then you should have no problem finding such documentation and posting a link or two here. The fact that you can't or have not shows that you are talking out of your ass.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs vs Cards
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Willton wrote:
The losing streak is just a symptom of the game of baseball. Plenty of teams go through winning and losing streaks. I remember when the Dodgers had a 11-game losing streak and ended up winning the NL West. The fact that the Pirates are going through one now is not somehow indicative of their talent level. Sometimes the losses that a team like this is expected to have just appear consecutively. Losing streaks are a drag to watch, but they happen. Big deal.


Sure every team will have streaks during a season but with 162 games, the talent level is indicative of the final record. Now explain losing 17 years in a row with no end in sight "is a just symptom of the game of baseball."

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