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 Post subject: Re: Game Thread- 7/31
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Is anyone else excited about tonight's game and seeing the new core of players?



Quite excited. Let's hope for the rest of the season these guys will play some good ball, gain confidence, and find something to build upon.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:32 pm 
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Pearce doubles and Andy drives him in to tie the game 1-1. Way to go. I'm getting a feeling that Andy is going to get real good here real soon. Just a feeling.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:38 pm 
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Morgan gets picked off at 1B by Ohley.......yes! :)

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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Woohoo...............Ohley singles to RF, Cutch singles up the middle, then Milledge drives in Ohley.........Bucs 2 Nats 1

Jones hits a ground ball to 2B.....but Cutch still scores standing up from 3B and Jones is safe at 1B........Bucs 3 Nats 1..........yes! :)

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:00 pm 
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I thought we were supposed to be "young and hungry"... Doumit was NOT running out that ground ball. Had he been he would have been safe. Young did NOT charge that ground ball.
I know we're young and we will get use to seeing mistakes, but I don't expect these mistakes to be due to lackadaisical play. If they make mistakes, they should be due to OVER aggressiveness.


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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:03 pm 
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Pearce goes yard.

You know Lannen has been pretty good this year, especially the last month.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:13 pm 
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I get a little tired with the "we will make mistakes because we are young routine". These are pro baseball players we are talking about. They are getting paid for their skill at playin the game. Most have been playing since they were 6 years old. MLB is not the place to learn basic fundamentals. If you haven't learned how to play by the time you are finished with high school or college then you should learn in the minors before you get to the bigs.

I totally get adjusting to the quality of MLB hitters or batters but using youth as an excuse for poor fundamentals or lack of hustle is inexcusable IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:33 pm 
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I don't know any profession where you know everything and can do everything at a "certain age". You are always learning and developing your skills with your chosen profession.

If you don't then others will pass you by. I see way too many young people coming right out of college who are not prepared.

It takes time to develop the skills and acquire the knowledge to become successful and also to become comfortable with yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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There is a difference between being a savy veteran and not being fundamentally sound. You may not know all the tricks of the trade as a rookie or third year player but you should be far beyond the mistakes of "youth". Remember by the time most of these players reach the bigs they have been professionals for at least four years.


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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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This is where I disagree with the way John Russell uses these young pitchers with control problems. As soon as Hanrahan walked a guy with a three-run lead, he should be in the showers. No questions asked. Bring the next one in and see if he can "pitch". Walking a guy with a three-run lead is unacceptable. Accountability should be the first priority.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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Can someone explain to me why Matt Capps is throwing a 0-2 fastball right over the plate? Isn't it easy to throw a pitch out of the strike zone? It dumbfounds me.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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Capps threw really, really well for the first 2 outs, and then up to strike 2 on Gonzalez. Doumit then set up on the inside corner, and as he seems to do every time when trying to hit the inside corner on the lefty, Capps left it over the heart of the plate. Base hit on an 0-2 count.

It is time for the Pirates to realize that Capps just cannot hit the inside corner against left-handed hitters. He does very, very well on the inside corner vs. righties, but he has been burned so many times on that pitch vs. lefties, that as soon as I see Capps on the hill, and Doumit set up on the inside corner against a left-handed batter, I cringe.


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 Post subject: Re: Game Thread- 7/31
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:18 am 
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BBF wrote:
LtCol Kojak Slaphead wrote:
I'm tempted ...


If you are a PNC customer, its 50% off with your bank card. I got two seats, front row, second deck, directly behind the plate, for a total of $16. Plus, its dollar dog night...and a floppy hat :roll: .


Go. that's redicolously cheap. You can't sniff Fenway for under $75 per seat and this team needs the support.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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I swear i am bad luck. I just returned from a trip to Buffalo and i find out we won again while i didn't watch. I think i have missed about 10 Tv games this year and we must have won 9 out of the 10.


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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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Colin21 wrote:
I swear i am bad luck. I just returned from a trip to Buffalo and i find out we won again while i didn't watch. I think i have missed about 10 Tv games this year and we must have won 9 out of the 10.

For God's sake, STOP WATCHING!!

You are hereby ordered to go to estrago's house during Pirates games. We know estrago will not be watching ...


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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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MoTownWV wrote:
I get a little tired with the "we will make mistakes because we are young routine". These are pro baseball players we are talking about. They are getting paid for their skill at playin the game. Most have been playing since they were 6 years old. MLB is not the place to learn basic fundamentals. If you haven't learned how to play by the time you are finished with high school or college then you should learn in the minors before you get to the bigs.

I totally get adjusting to the quality of MLB hitters or batters but using youth as an excuse for poor fundamentals or lack of hustle is inexcusable IMO.

Nevertheless, young players do make mistakes that veteran players do not make, and that's how it's gone in professional baseball since Henry Chadwick was keeping score. The same thing happens in every other professional sport I've ever seen.

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 Post subject: Re: July 31, 2009 Nationals (32-70) at Pirates (43-58)
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sisyphus wrote:
MoTownWV wrote:
I get a little tired with the "we will make mistakes because we are young routine". These are pro baseball players we are talking about. They are getting paid for their skill at playin the game. Most have been playing since they were 6 years old. MLB is not the place to learn basic fundamentals. If you haven't learned how to play by the time you are finished with high school or college then you should learn in the minors before you get to the bigs.

I totally get adjusting to the quality of MLB hitters or batters but using youth as an excuse for poor fundamentals or lack of hustle is inexcusable IMO.

Nevertheless, young players do make mistakes that veteran players do not make, and that's how it's gone in professional baseball since Henry Chadwick was keeping score. The same thing happens in every other professional sport I've ever seen.


Someone posted a comment not long ago that we better get used to it, because the Pirates will ALWAYS be a young team. The goal of this current building plan calls for a steady influx of youngsters to replace aging and/or nonproductive players. What you have to hope for is that:

1. The player development staff is successful insofar as to reduce the number of mistakes players are making upon arriving to the big leagues, and

2. The overall talent level is high enough that you can overcome the mistakes that are made.


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