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 Post subject: Re: July 2, 2009 Mets (38-39) at Pirates (36-42)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:40 pm 
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Fine, perhaps we should also look at the inning in which a bunt is called. When would it ever be a good idea to limit your ability to score multiple runs IN THE FIRST INNING? Especially against an awful pitcher like Tim Redding?

This is not the Deadball Era anymore, 9. One-run strategies should be left for times when one-run makes a huge difference. The first inning is not that time.


And this is the 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates.
Tim Redding? Awful pitcher? You really want to make an argument about the 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates' performance against awful pitchers? With Wilson hitting second, Vasquez in the lineup, Sanchez on the bench and Garrett Jones in the lineup? I just bet that you were predicting that this lineup was going to put up 5 runs in the first four innings.

I certainly was not predicting that the Bucs would score 5 runs because I don't make silly predictions like that. I've seen the Pirates put up 7 runs against the likes of Mike Pelfry and Ryan Dempster, and I've seen the bats go silent against the likes of Gavin Floyd, so making any prediction on how many runs would be scored is silly. But I do know that giving away outs is not a good way to beat a team that averages 4.45 runs per game, as the Mets do, and that bunting when you have 0 outs in the 1st inning with a man on 2nd is a great way limit whatever scoring opportunities you may have.

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There is a psychological component to a game. Getting ahead, scoring the first run. For a team that has struggled to score recently with one of its better hitters on the bench . . . boost of confidence. And, there are 8 more innings in which you can score.

And you just squandered the best opportunity to score multiple runs that you've had so far in the game. The psychological component of the game doesn't mean sh*t to professionals; they know that it's going to take more than one run to win a game most of the time. I can assure you that the Mets would have been unfazed by one run being scored in the 1st inning, and if the Pirates think that one little run should make them confident that they can win the game, then they clearly have a very short memory.

Crooked numbers, not straight ones, breed confidence in position players. If you want to breed confidence in the players, let them know that you're confident that they can do more good swinging away than squaring around.

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 Post subject: Re: July 2, 2009 Mets (38-39) at Pirates (36-42)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:05 pm 
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I think one thing we can all agree on is that this pitching performance, by both Maholm and his relievers, has been pathetic. Everyone else is doing their fair share on offense and defense.

No. 9, you asked about the sacrifice numbers...I get them from Baseball Reference. Here is Jack's batting page, scroll down to "Situational Hitting" and look under "SH."

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... -bat.shtml

Baseball Reference and Baseball Prospectus are by far my favorite baseball websites. BR has gotten so much better since I started going to it for statistical information ten years ago. They have almost every stat you could want, unless you want the really nerdy stats like VORP, WARP, and FRAR, in which case BP has those.


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 Post subject: Re: July 2, 2009 Mets (38-39) at Pirates (36-42)
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Jones is a single away from the cycle!


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Jones is just a single away from the cycle....back to within 2 runs. I think extra innings would be great....supposed to be a day off, rain delay and extra innings....

I can't believe no one has said anything about the Leave it to Beaver episode when June declared "you were a little rough on the beaver last night, Ward".


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Adam "No-clutch" LaRoche goes yard in the 9th! Draws ire of fans by looking nonplussed while rounding the bases. Film at eleven.


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LaRoche should've bunted Sanchez to second.

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Nice Pinch hit by Freddy for Adam to put one over the fence...

Jones...I'd like the cycle, but the game winning HR would be better...

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Did I call this or what?


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C'mon, Moss...make me a liar.


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Can Moss be a hero? Runners on the corner 2 outs!!!

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Extra Innings!!!

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Question for those watching on tv: on Gameday, for the 4th pitch to Moss, it said "Foul (Runner Going)". Is this true? Why on earth would Vasquez be running in that situation with the winning run standing on 3rd?


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He probably wasn't being held on, especially with a left-handed batter and the winning run on 3rd...would have been a catcher's indifference.


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burghermeister wrote:
Question for those watching on tv: on Gameday, for the 4th pitch to Moss, it said "Foul (Runner Going)". Is this true? Why on earth would Vasquez be running in that situation with the winning run standing on 3rd?


First basemen was playing behind him and not holding him on. They were giving him second base. Frankly, I thought that it was stupid for him to not be running on the first pitch. Take away the force at second base. Mets' announcers basically said the same thing.

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Second guess time . . . intentionally walk Church???? I'd rather have the next guy beat me than Church. I disagree with that strategy ploy.

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Wow i missed this game today because of it not being on TV and i had to go to anger management so i wasn't near a computer. You guys did a good game report the whole way through. It tells alot better of a story than just the stats.

6 walks for Pirate pitches and only 3 K's, that is horrible.
Maholm stunk again.
Chavez was the only Pirate pitcher who really pitched well, but he had to be pulled for the Blob.
I guess Jackson and Meek pitched pretty good also just in the fact that they didn't let any runs cross the plate, but the walks 3 batter combined.

Sad game, but like i have said before Garrett Jones isn't the same player he was a couple years ago for the Twins. I think he has found his place.

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I have enough of these kind of gifts to the other teams....... :x


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