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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:00 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
Ummm. Get me if I'm wrong.

We spy on everyone, including Israel. We work with China and Venezuela. And, a number of other countries hostile to Israels' interests.

Your point?

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My point is that Israel is not a friend of the US. They may be an uneasy ally, but they're far from a friend.

I have no problem calling them an ally, but I hate it when people call them our friends. With friends like Israel, we don't need enemies.


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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:07 pm 
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Israel certainly has a right to exist. There really should be no question about that.

But my point is that our blind support Israel at the expense of the Arabs is wrong and will always cause the U.S. anemosities in the middle East. The radicals in the Moslem world are clearly wrong too, but we continue to give them recruiting pluses by not reigning in the absolute power that Israel has over them and the disputed territories. OUR SELF INTEREST is in providing some territory for the Palistinians so as TO DEFUSE the POWER OF RECRUITMENT FROM THE RADICAL RIGHT IN THE ISALMIC MOVEMENT.

Let's worry about what is best for us first. Incidentally, that includes oil.

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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:10 pm 
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I'll say this for Israel, they have the best PR machine in the world. They've managed to convince most Americans that Israel and America are alike when in reality we're as different as can be.

But I put that on us and not them. We should be smart enough to see through the propaganda machine and we're not.


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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:14 pm 
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Umm..

Every time Israel has given up land, and they have on a number of occasions (something that no other country would consider), they've been met with... peace? Prosperity? Relations with their new neighbors?

Nope, more like more bombings in Tel Aviv.

The blame needs put where it belongs, with the folks dedicated to the destruction, the absolute destruction of Israel. Not with the folks who have tried to live with the Arab world since their inception as a country.

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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:27 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
Umm..

Every time Israel has given up land, and they have on a number of occasions (something that no other country would consider), they've been met with... peace? Prosperity? Relations with their new neighbors?

Nope, more like more bombings in Tel Aviv.

The blame needs put where it belongs, with the folks dedicated to the destruction, the absolute destruction of Israel. Not with the folks who have tried to live with the Arab world since their inception as a country.

ZM


Israeli hands aren't clean in this mess. They've killed their share of women and children during the wars they've been involved in. The biggest difference between the Israelis and their enemies is that the Israelis have better PR men.


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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:51 pm 
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Two points, so you don't descend into ridiculous-land.

1. They don't start the wars.

2. They don't intentionally target women and children.

Unlike their neighbors.

This attempt at moral equivalency is getting to be a very weak argument.

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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
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ZelieMike wrote:
Two points, so you don't descend into ridiculous-land.

1. They don't start the wars.

2. They don't intentionally target women and children.

Unlike their neighbors.

This attempt at moral equivalency is getting to be a very weak argument.

ZM


As far as #2 goes, you only know what they chose to tell you. If they weren't targeting women and children, then they have some horrible pilots.


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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:54 am 
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ZM -- their failure to compromise and work this out with the Palistinians has and will continue to result in Americans dieing in Twin Towers, Iraq and Afganistan/Pakisstan.

That should be clear to everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: War with Iran
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:48 pm 
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You mean the Palestinian's refusal to compromise with them, correct? 'Cause I remember the Israeli's giving the Pals' about 99.99% of what they wanted, and all it got them was Intifada.

As for knowing what goes on, we most certainly do know more than they want to tell us. Virtually every military movement by the IDF is watched by the world.

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