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For those of you who would like a more uplifting an honest take on politics going forward:



The full clip is below, which is worth the watch.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/ind ... -sincerity

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Jon Stewart is everything that's wrong with politics in America today. He makes highly partisan comments and when he's called on it, he hides behind the idea that he hosts a fake news show.


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Jeremy wrote:
Jon Stewart is everything that's wrong with politics in America today.


I could come up with about 100 other things that are far more wrong than Jon Stewart when it comes to politics in America. I mean really. :o :o :o :o :o


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
Jon Stewart is everything that's wrong with politics in America today.


I could come up with about 100 other things that are far more wrong than Jon Stewart when it comes to politics in America. I mean really. :o :o :o :o :o


Well, the biggest problem is that he is a comedian who is paid to be cynical... oh, wait....

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Stewart is the very thing he claims to despise - somebody who is estranged from the truth, and uses fundamentally flawed and ginned-up facts to turn a profit.

For example, Stewart made the following statement in his speech:

"This was not a rally to ridicule people of faith or people of activism or to look down our noses at the heartland or passionate argument or to suggest that times are not difficult and that we have nothing to fear."

Oh, for crying out loud ... of course it was. His entire program is founded on the principle of deriding, bullying, lampooning and berating those with whom he disagrees. Just watch 5 minutes of any of his programs, and the point is made.

Some will protest that I am overstating the vituperative nature of his commentary. Let me quote Stewart himself to answer that charge:

Not being able to distinguish between real racists and Tea Partiers or real bigots and Juan Williams and Rick Sanchez is an insult, not only to those people but to the racists themselves who have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate--just as the inability to distinguish terrorists from Muslims makes us less safe not more.

Referring to Juan Williams in this fashion is beneath contempt. Williams is an articulate, thoughtful, intelligent, highly-credible opinion journalist. But for Stewart, a low-level buffoon whose intellect is propped up by a large staff of writers, Williams is nothing but a punch-line.

And incredibly, Stewart then blames 24-hour cable news as a "cause" of problems. The utter lunacy of this statement is that Stewart has a show that is broadcast 5 days per week, plus re-runs, that does NOTHING but scream that his ideological adversaries are deeply and fundamentally flawed, stupid, misguided, misleading, and irresponsible.

Stewart, if you truly believe that this type of panting, overhyped cable drama is truly a cause of some great turmoil in Americal, then be part of the cure: Shut up.


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Wow!!!!!!!

I will remember not to watch Comedy Central next time you come for a BBQ. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

I must say however that I was curious as to his slant on things when OBama came into power. He has reamed them just as well. He fawned over Mike Wallace's kid last night and agreed to go on his Fox Sunday show. :o :o :o :o :o


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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart's Moment of Sincerity
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Jeremy wrote:
Jon Stewart is everything that's wrong with politics in America today. He makes highly partisan comments and when he's called on it, he hides behind the idea that he hosts a fake news show.

There's something that you must not understand: Jon Stewart is an entertainer, not a journalist or a politician. The people he lampoons for making nonsensical comments call themselves journalists or politicians, not entertainers. There is a world of difference.

People like Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Ed Schultz, and Sean Hannity should own up to the fact that they are really entertainers, not newspersons.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart's Moment of Sincerity
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Bucfan wrote:
Stewart is the very thing he claims to despise - somebody who is estranged from the truth, and uses fundamentally flawed and ginned-up facts to turn a profit.

For example, Stewart made the following statement in his speech:

"This was not a rally to ridicule people of faith or people of activism or to look down our noses at the heartland or passionate argument or to suggest that times are not difficult and that we have nothing to fear."

Oh, for crying out loud ... of course it was. His entire program is founded on the principle of deriding, bullying, lampooning and berating those with whom he disagrees. Just watch 5 minutes of any of his programs, and the point is made.

Bucfan, first of all, you are pointing to his programs. That is not what he said: he said that the rally was not designed to ridicule such people. Pointing to the Daily Show's regular show is a non-sequitor.

Second of all, Stewart does not lampoon, berate or deride anyone merely because he disagrees with them. Stewart does those things because his targets are ostentacious, self-righteous extremists who proselythize and use hyperbole to attract attention to themselves. Such people are not interested in having a reasoned discussion, and for that, they deserve such lampooning.

Bucfan wrote:
Some will protest that I am overstating the vituperative nature of his commentary. Let me quote Stewart himself to answer that charge:

Not being able to distinguish between real racists and Tea Partiers or real bigots and Juan Williams and Rick Sanchez is an insult, not only to those people but to the racists themselves who have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate--just as the inability to distinguish terrorists from Muslims makes us less safe not more.

Referring to Juan Williams in this fashion is beneath contempt. Williams is an articulate, thoughtful, intelligent, highly-credible opinion journalist. But for Stewart, a low-level buffoon whose intellect is propped up by a large staff of writers, Williams is nothing but a punch-line.

I'm not sure you understand what Stewart was saying. Stewart was not calling Juan Williams or Rick Sanchez a racist or a bigot. On the contrary: he was distinguishing Williams and Sanchez from such people. The punch-line was the reactionary people who call Williams and Sanchez such names.

Oh, and by the way, "an articulate, thoughtful, intelligent, highly-credible opinion journalist" does not say the things Williams said that caused NPR to blow a gasket. If you think highly of Williams, fine, but Williams was not at his best that day.

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And incredibly, Stewart then blames 24-hour cable news as a "cause" of problems. The utter lunacy of this statement is that Stewart has a show that is broadcast 5 days per week, plus re-runs, that does NOTHING but scream that his ideological adversaries are deeply and fundamentally flawed, stupid, misguided, misleading, and irresponsible.

Once again, you are misrepresenting what Stewart said. If you listened at all, you would have noted that Stewart explicitly said that the 24-hour news networks "did not cause our problems." What Stewart did say was that "its existence makes solving them that much harder." He also said the following:
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"The press can hold its magnifying glass up to our problems, bringing them into focus, illuminating issues heretofore unseen. Or they can use that magnifying glass to light ants on fire, and then, perhaps, host a week of shows on the sudden unexpected dangerous flaming ant epidemic. If we amplify everything, we hear nothing.


Bucfan wrote:
Stewart, if you truly believe that this type of panting, overhyped cable drama is truly a cause of some great turmoil in Americal, then be part of the cure: Shut up.

I disagree: Stewart is doing Americans a great service by (1) entertaining us; and (2) pointing out the absurdities we see from said cable news networks. Such networks take themselves way too seriously in the amount of bombastic hyperbole they exhibit, and they should take it down a notch. Stewart helps us all see that.

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 Post subject: Re: Jon Stewart's Moment of Sincerity
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Willton wrote:
People like Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Ed Schultz, and Sean Hannity should own up to the fact that they are really entertainers


Agree 110%. Unfortunately, there are millions of Americans who believe the dogma that they spew resulting in the fear, hate and paranoia that has divided the country like no other time in history. 8-) 8-) 8-)


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More from the speech that was not exhibited in the You Tube clip:

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We hear every damn day about how fragile our country is, on the brink of catastrophe, torn by polarizing hate, and how its a shame how we can’t work together to get things done.

But the truth is, we do. We work together to get things done every damn day! The only place we don’t is here [the Capitol Building], or on cable TV. But Americans don’t live here [the Capitol Building] or on cable TV. Where we live our values and principles form the foundation that sustains us while we get things done. Not the barriers that prevent us from getting things done. Most Americans don’t live their lives solely as democrats, republicans, liberals, or conservatives. Americans live their lives more as people that are just a little bit late for something they have to do. Often something they do not want to do, but they do it. Impossible things everyday that are only made possible through the little reasonable compromises we all make.


I don't know how anyone cannot get behind that statement.

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Bucfan wrote:
Stewart is the very thing he claims to despise - somebody who is estranged from the truth, and uses fundamentally flawed and ginned-up facts to turn a profit.

For example, Stewart made the following statement in his speech:

"This was not a rally to ridicule people of faith or people of activism or to look down our noses at the heartland or passionate argument or to suggest that times are not difficult and that we have nothing to fear."

Oh, for crying out loud ... of course it was. His entire program is founded on the principle of deriding, bullying, lampooning and berating those with whom he disagrees. Just watch 5 minutes of any of his programs, and the point is made.

Some will protest that I am overstating the vituperative nature of his commentary. Let me quote Stewart himself to answer that charge:

Not being able to distinguish between real racists and Tea Partiers or real bigots and Juan Williams and Rick Sanchez is an insult, not only to those people but to the racists themselves who have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate--just as the inability to distinguish terrorists from Muslims makes us less safe not more.

Referring to Juan Williams in this fashion is beneath contempt. Williams is an articulate, thoughtful, intelligent, highly-credible opinion journalist. But for Stewart, a low-level buffoon whose intellect is propped up by a large staff of writers, Williams is nothing but a punch-line.

And incredibly, Stewart then blames 24-hour cable news as a "cause" of problems. The utter lunacy of this statement is that Stewart has a show that is broadcast 5 days per week, plus re-runs, that does NOTHING but scream that his ideological adversaries are deeply and fundamentally flawed, stupid, misguided, misleading, and irresponsible.

Stewart, if you truly believe that this type of panting, overhyped cable drama is truly a cause of some great turmoil in Americal, then be part of the cure: Shut up.


Yeah, but he IS funny.

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Those MSNBC guys are just acting.. no different than the Fox News nuts. Isn't obvious that Chris Matthews was
faking it when he got excited with Michele Bachmann.. "are you hypnotized?!!" He and Bachmann are schills for
the elite. Matthews isn't a good actor.

It's all crap. There is no left.. culturally, yes.. but politically, economically no.. Republicans and Democrats have
both been big spenders in the past. Both parties are hardcore capitalists. The damn Democrats were all for
invading Iraq in the beginning, too (except for my congressman Kucinich!!) Where exactly are the differences?

Bill Maher and John Stewart are paid to say what they say. The elite's agenda is to divide America so they can
continue milking the working class for every penny they can get.. they need to occupy our minds with this
stupid stuff so we can't revolt. Please, guys.. don't fall for these tactics of the corporate media. Throw
away your damn TVs. Watch Pirates games online.


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The rally wasn't meant to ridicule people of faith? Then why did they get another comedian to do the invocation?

Stewart is a disgusting hypocrite, worse than O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann.


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Jeremy wrote:
Stewart is a disgusting hypocrite, worse than O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann.


Please............


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Willton wrote:
I don't know how anyone cannot get behind that statement.

Willton, your impassioned defense of Stewart would probably be effective but for one fact: I have seen Stewart's program, numerous times.

Those hardworking, decent citizens he claims to honor are good to him for one thing, and one thing only: as a subject of mocking. He does so regularly, to point out how stupid citizens are, compared to the genius that is Jon Stewart.

Finally, it is inaccurate for you to suggest that only those who "deserve" being derided are the subject of his commentary. Stewart has repeatedly - REPEATEDLY - mocked and made fun of the idiot voters following the mid-term results. Oh well, all Presidents lose seats in these elections (false), and only because in this instance the voters do not understand what the President is doing for them.

Watch this clip: http://www.thedailyshow.com/

What a laugh. Imbeciles, all - the voters, the pundits, the media, all of them. Just freaking stooopid.

"It? What is IT??"

Hey, Jon, maybe town hall meetings from June of 2009 until March, 2010 provide a hint. Hey, maybe there was a genuine reason or 1.6 trillion why the vote went as it did.

Naaaaah. It's just a matter of idiot voters and idiot pundits not "getting" the profound genius of the President.

Wash, rinse, repeat - Stewart's show for the next two years.


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Bucfan wrote:
Willton wrote:
I don't know how anyone cannot get behind that statement.

Willton, your impassioned defense of Stewart would probably be effective but for one fact: I have seen Stewart's program, numerous times.

Those hardworking, decent citizens he claims to honor are good to him for one thing, and one thing only: as a subject of mocking. He does so regularly, to point out how stupid citizens are, compared to the genius that is Jon Stewart.

What "hardworking, decent citizens" are the subject of his mockery? Please show me.

Furthermore, when a citizen does do something ridiculous, why should that ridiculousness not be pointed out?

Why are you so offended by Jon Stewart? Has he made fun of you?

Bucfan wrote:
Finally, it is inaccurate for you to suggest that only those who "deserve" being derided are the subject of his commentary. Stewart has repeatedly - REPEATEDLY - mocked and made fun of the idiot voters following the mid-term results. Oh well, all Presidents lose seats in these elections (false), and only because in this instance the voters do not understand what the President is doing for them.

Watch this clip: http://www.thedailyshow.com/

What a laugh. Imbeciles, all - the voters, the pundits, the media, all of them. Just freaking stooopid.

"It? What is IT??"

Hey, Jon, maybe town hall meetings from June of 2009 until March, 2010 provide a hint. Hey, maybe there was a genuine reason or 1.6 trillion why the vote went as it did.

Naaaaah. It's just a matter of idiot voters and idiot pundits not "getting" the profound genius of the President.

Wash, rinse, repeat - Stewart's show for the next two years.

You're missing the point of that clip. Many members of the press are saying that the President "doesn't get it," but there's no articulation as to what "it" is. If there's a legitimate thing that the President does not understand, it should be identified, especially if it is as easy to identify as you apparently seem to think. But that's not what the press is doing when it repeatedly says "he doesn't get it." Stewart and the Daily Show correspondents are not mocking voters for voting the way they did; they are mocking the press for latching onto a catch phrase and repeating it ad nauseum to generate ratings without doing what they are supposed to be doing: identifying what "it" is.

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Jeremy wrote:
The rally wasn't meant to ridicule people of faith? Then why did they get another comedian to do the invocation?

Stewart is a disgusting hypocrite, worse than O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann.

What is wrong with a comedian doing an invocation? Furthermore, why must religion be off-limits when it comes to comedy?

If you were offended by Stewart's rally, then you must take yourself way too seriously. Perhaps you need to learn how to laugh a little instead of taking offense to everything anyone ever writes.

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Willton wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
The rally wasn't meant to ridicule people of faith? Then why did they get another comedian to do the invocation?

Stewart is a disgusting hypocrite, worse than O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann.

What is wrong with a comedian doing an invocation? Furthermore, why must religion be off-limits when it comes to comedy?

If you were offended by Stewart's rally, then you must take yourself way too seriously. Perhaps you need to learn how to laugh a little instead of taking offense to everything anyone ever writes.



You really are dense. You can't say that we're not mocking people of faith while mocking people of faith.

How hard is that for you to see?


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Jeremy wrote:
Willton wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
The rally wasn't meant to ridicule people of faith? Then why did they get another comedian to do the invocation?

Stewart is a disgusting hypocrite, worse than O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann.

What is wrong with a comedian doing an invocation? Furthermore, why must religion be off-limits when it comes to comedy?

If you were offended by Stewart's rally, then you must take yourself way too seriously. Perhaps you need to learn how to laugh a little instead of taking offense to everything anyone ever writes.



You really are dense. You can't say that we're not mocking people of faith while mocking people of faith.

How hard is that for you to see?

Fine, we'll stick with the former. What exactly did Stewart and company do to mock people of faith? And please do not extend the mocking of a particular person to the mocking of a general populace. Failing to make such distinctions is the problem that Stewart's rally was designed to address.

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Willton wrote:
What "hardworking, decent citizens" are the subject of his mockery? Please show me.

Voters this past Tuesday, for one.

His arrogant, know-it-all attitude is present every time he discusses any political leader with whom he disagrees. And make no mistake, my antipathy is directed towards Stewart for his bitter, condescending attitude whenever it is clear that the majority disagrees with him.

And of course he picks his targets. Barbara Boxer has made a career of being a moron, and making stupendously costly decisions in her position as a Senator.

So, tell me, when is the last time that Stewart spent any of his time mocking Boxer? None? Gee, why is that?

Because she is irrelevant, like a large number of those whom he derides (Bush post-2009, Gingrich, etc.)? Uhhh, no. She actually holds an important elected office.

Because she is so well-grounded and intelligent? Uhhh, definitely not. She married well, and used her husband's fortune in litigation, mainly asbestos litigation, to run for Congress in a small, very well-to-do and liberal district outside the Bay Area, and then rode Clinton's 1992 tsunami to the Senate (all while refusing to debate her opponent, Bruce Herschenson, a second time after being humiliated in the first debate ... that she refused to allow to be televised except on a tiny station that had to re-play the debate rather than show it live).

Her greatest accomplishment in the Senate has been to ban drilling for domestic oil in Anwar, which has the greatest oil reserve available for US production, and to impose restrictions on CO2 emissions as part of a battle against "global warming," err, I mean "global climate change." These restrictions have played a key role in manufacturing jobs in California, including a Goodyear tire plant in Long Beach, moving to Mexico.

Boxer also brilliantly filed an objection to the 2004 Ohio electoral count, claiming that the voting was fraudulent (where Bush won the state by 60,000 votes), and like an imbecile forced a vote on the objection. The vote in the Senate? 74-1 against .. hers was the only vote to refuse to honor the Ohio vote. In other words, Boxer wanted to vote to ignore the Ohio electoral count, and have Kerry placed as President.

So, Boxer is actually in power, actually does harm, shows a fundamental lack of intellect when interviewed, avoids engaging in televised debates with her political opponents because she routinely muffs questions and botches answers, has embarrased herself in the Senate, and yet ...

Nothing from Stewart.


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