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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:11 am 
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Ollie wrote:
I know, I know.. 9-11. That's your mantra. You already know that many free thinking folks believe 9-11
was an inside job. Why can't you guys see the big picture? I know you're proud of your country but
you seem blinded by that pride. We've been the bully on the playground for a long time and now we're
controlled by Wall Street and the world's elite.

Those free thinking folks lack evidence to support their theory. They also clearly don't subscribe to Occam's Razor.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:42 pm 
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I don't believe in manmade borders.. to me an Afghan is
the same as an American.


That is ridiculous.


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:20 pm 
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And here's more on the leaks. It seems the prime suspect is a half-Brit/half-American soldier of the homosexual persuasion who became despondent after his relationship with his -- ah -- significant other ended.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7918632/Bradley-Manning-suspected-source-of-Wikileaks-documents-raged-on-his-Facebook-page.html

It all makes perfect sense now. Why, who among us wouldn't instinctively seek to get even in a circumstance like that by leaking 90,000 secret combat documents to the world?

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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This thread proved to be useful. I learned about Occam's razor. lol

Ralphie, I'm a hippie.


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:42 pm 
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Ollie wrote:
Ralphie, I'm a hippie.

But smart enough to differentiate releasing information for important reasons, and releasing information that serves no purpose and may well cause problems, including potential loss of life.

The documents were released by somebody whose access made it incumbent on him to protect the security of those whose information he had access to.

If a lawyer uncovers information that is vital to proving that a product has a known but hidden defect, the lawyer is obligated to protect the privileged nature of the information. We can debate the merits of releasing such information - I don't think that rules of privilege and confidence can be "waived" by one person's personal view - but the simple fact is that in my analogy, the release of information did not limit itself to the potentially dangerous product; it included a release of private medical records for employees who were involved in making the product, privileged employment files, performance reviews of people who had nothing to do with keeping the defect a secret, etc.

The guy who released the information used the equivalent of an information H-bomb to kill a mouse. Sure, the mouse is dead, but the unrestricted and improper release of information cannot - CANNOT - be defended.

Why do I say this? Because we adopt accepted rules of behavior as a society. Those rules are not voluntary for the most part. I may disagree with tax policy, spending decisions, etc. but I do not have the right to invade a politician's computer and publish clearly privileged information, completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, because I "think" that the public policy is wrong, or that I am "doing good."

Otherwise, what the hell is the good of having rules? Can we all ignore them when we can come up with a reason?

Would that include my having a "reason" to steal the privileged medical records of the guy who revealed the information, and release those to the public? How about psychological records? Financial records? Why not? I can come up with a valid reason for doing so (possible bias, interest or motive).


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Bob in Boston wrote:
And here's more on the leaks. It seems the prime suspect is a half-Brit/half-American soldier of the homosexual persuasion who became despondent after his relationship with his -- ah -- significant other ended.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7918632/Bradley-Manning-suspected-source-of-Wikileaks-documents-raged-on-his-Facebook-page.html

It all makes perfect sense now. Why, who among us wouldn't instinctively seek to get even in a circumstance like that by leaking 90,000 secret combat documents to the world?


I might have known it would be a fucking faggot who was responsible.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Real smart comment there, Bertie..

So you guys don't care if our soldiers are committing war crimes, violating the Geneva Conventions..
Our guys have this "kill everyone" mentality.. we shoot children, mistake cameras for AK47s..
meanwhile we're over there protecting the poppy fields.

All wars are based on deception. There is no noble purpose in invading a country.


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Yes, we care.

No, your characterization if not true.

You, Ollie, are the one misrepresenting things.

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Bertie, on behalf of my friends who are homosexual, I suggest you kindly fuck off.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Willton wrote:
Bertie, on behalf of my friends who are homosexual, I suggest you kindly fuck off.


Don't get on your high horse. Why so touchy?
It was supposed to be sarcasm.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Bertie wrote:
Willton wrote:
Bertie, on behalf of my friends who are homosexual, I suggest you kindly fuck off.


Don't get on your high horse. Why so touchy?
It was supposed to be sarcasm.

Sorry. Sarcasm is not very well conveyed through the written word.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Most people who call themselves hippies, aren't. Most people who claim the title of hippy are posers who don't understand the spirit behind the movement. Rather, they've attached themselves to ideas like free love and free dope and the other more pleasant aspects of the movement. They reject the dark underbelly of the movement. The side that wasn't topless chicks and booze. The cop killers and domestic terrorists.

As far as Ollie goes, well you mostly find people who think like him hanging out in the comments section of CNN and Huffington Post. There's a reason I've blocked him. He's sitting here celebrating the fact that thousands of people have now been placed directly in harm's way. That's pretty pathetic if you ask me. Go smoke some more weed Ollie.


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Contrary to your notions I've never booted the gong nor have I puffed cigarettes.. and I don't drink. I'm a pretty
bland guy. Maybe if I did smoke the weed of wisdom I'll start thinking like you. I do attend reggae concerts
so I am inhaling second hand blunt smoke. lol


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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More documents have been uncovered.. now up to 285,000 casualties in Iraq..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiF3t-2Zek

The pentagon kept detailed tallies of civilian deaths in Iraq. The documents show the U.S. imposed a formal policy
to ignore human rights abuses committed by the Iraqi military. There needs to be a serious investigation into crimes
against humanity. Secret Afghanistan war logs were made public the other day as well. These documents show
the true nature of our involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqVjEoYIzNY&NR=1


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:45 pm 
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Ollie wrote:
More documents have been uncovered.. now up to 285,000 casualties in Iraq..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyiF3t-2Zek

The pentagon kept detailed tallies of civilian deaths in Iraq. The documents show the U.S. imposed a formal policy
to ignore human rights abuses committed by the Iraqi military. There needs to be a serious investigation into crimes
against humanity. Secret Afghanistan war logs were made public the other day as well. These documents show
the true nature of our involvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqVjEoYIzNY&NR=1


Well if one thinks 285,000 are a high # of civilian casualties (and I suppose they are) during a time when a more democratized gov't is in place, then one would also have to ponder how many more casualties there were under the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Where are those wikileaks?

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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You won't see them. That wouldn't make us look bad.

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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ZM, indeed it would make us look bad.. Reagan gave Saddam all of his biological weapons that he used on Kurds.
The Kurds were the ones who suffered most under Saddam as well as in Turkey, but they are one of our allies.


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:39 pm 
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So Ollie, no more positive comments about Wikileaks and its founder, when details are coming out that the guy responsible for the site - Julian Assange - is a convicted hacker, liar, and felon who is estranged from his former wife and child, and has published information about an Iranian source that will almost certainly get the guy killed?

Why, he is just trying to expose the "truth" ... like he did when doctoring and lying about what happened in a 2007 firefight where a Reuters photographer was killed.

http://collateralmurder.wordpress.com/

Wikileaks is just a matter of a smart guy who is so lacking in principles that he hacks into computers, steals information, abandons his child, and publishes very sensitive information to make himself feel important, while just not giving a shit about what his actions can do.


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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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Bucfan wrote:
Wikileaks is just a matter of a smart guy who is so lacking in principles that he hacks into computers, steals information, abandons his child, and publishes very sensitive information to make himself feel important, while just not giving a shit about what his actions can do.


So he's a college educated American born after 1975?

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 Post subject: Re: WikiLeaks..
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He ought to get his nuts cut off. With a dull blade. :shock: :shock:


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