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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:30 pm 
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Why bother? You're a stereotypical conservative, everyone else is wrong and you're right. The only point of view is the one you advocate. You talk a good game about free speech, but your post shows that you would ban or ignore everyone who doesn't share your narrow world view. That's the reason we're in the mess we're in right now!!

It's narrow minded people like you who drove me from the conservative movement a long time ago. As soon as someone disagrees with you, you automatically label them as a flaming liberal without bothering to take the time to understand their politics. America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, but people like you don't believe in the exchange of ideas, simply the indoctrination of people to your narrow minded ideas.

The liberals are idiots, their policies ate laughable and most of their representatives are elitist dolts who wouldn't know what real Americans looked like if they were dropped off in the middle of an Iowa corn farm. But since Bush took office, the conservatives have become just as bad. They've become arrogant and condescending when they speak. They put forward people like Ann Coulter who lack even the most rudimentary understanding of Americans and American history.

The most laughable things is your attack of "gun-free" zones on college campuses. Two students among the millions of college students in this country and people like you want to overreact and blame "liberal" philosophy for the idea. Let me tell you something my friend, I've been military training to shoot both the 9MM and the M-16. I for one, don't want half the people I meet on a daily basis carrying weapons because I promise you that there will be more shooting and killings than there are now.

But all this is probably wasted on you because your retort will no doubt be to call me a liberal and walk away. All that's going to prove is how out of touch with America you, and the people like you, have become.


I rest my case.

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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:32 pm 
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Bob in Boston wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
Why bother? You're a stereotypical conservative, everyone else is wrong and you're right. The only point of view is the one you advocate. You talk a good game about free speech, but your post shows that you would ban or ignore everyone who doesn't share your narrow world view. That's the reason we're in the mess we're in right now!!

It's narrow minded people like you who drove me from the conservative movement a long time ago. As soon as someone disagrees with you, you automatically label them as a flaming liberal without bothering to take the time to understand their politics. America was founded on the free exchange of ideas, but people like you don't believe in the exchange of ideas, simply the indoctrination of people to your narrow minded ideas.

The liberals are idiots, their policies ate laughable and most of their representatives are elitist dolts who wouldn't know what real Americans looked like if they were dropped off in the middle of an Iowa corn farm. But since Bush took office, the conservatives have become just as bad. They've become arrogant and condescending when they speak. They put forward people like Ann Coulter who lack even the most rudimentary understanding of Americans and American history.

The most laughable things is your attack of "gun-free" zones on college campuses. Two students among the millions of college students in this country and people like you want to overreact and blame "liberal" philosophy for the idea. Let me tell you something my friend, I've been military training to shoot both the 9MM and the M-16. I for one, don't want half the people I meet on a daily basis carrying weapons because I promise you that there will be more shooting and killings than there are now.

But all this is probably wasted on you because your retort will no doubt be to call me a liberal and walk away. All that's going to prove is how out of touch with America you, and the people like you, have become.


I rest my case.


Exactly what I expect expected out of you. I don't agree with you, so I must be wrong.

And then you sit and wonder why the Republicans are dying as a political party. You reap what you sow.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:35 am 
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Permit me to veer off the subject.

I know I am seen as a nut here as I think 9-11 was an inside job and secret organizations (world's elite) rule the world. To me almost all news from the corporate media is propaganda. I'll spout off my opinions here despite being labeled as a conspiracy wacko. :lol:

Both parties are capitalists. They don't differ all that much in the grand scheme. Yes, Republicans are against abortion (I'm personally shocked that those partial birth abortions are allowed) and supposedly for family values (yet their mouthpiece Fox network airs garbage like "Family Guy") and Democrats are more likely to defend the poor (though they exploit them to stay in office.) These politicians belong to the same country clubs regardless of party in the end. I just don't know why it's necessary for our elected officials to be millionaires. Of course they will serve the corporations first.

How exactly are the Clintons to the far left? They don't care about the working class any more than the Bushes. All that talk about universal healthcare was garbage. Bill Clinton bombed Iraq, taking the lives of hundreds of civilians in the same way any Republican president would have. He was actually worse. He maintained economic sanctions on that country which helped to kill tens of thousands of Iraqi children. Bill should have been impeached and tried for war crimes (just as both Bushes should have.)

Clinton talked NATO into bombing the former Yugoslavia, took the lives of civilians, created streams of refugees.. yes, that was a tricky situation but we never question other countries with brutal regimes. Turkey has some of the worst human rights numbers of any country but they're our ally. Meanwhile Clinton and his accomplices helped kill more people than Slobodan Milosevic ever did.

I voted for Ralph Nader (he wasn't even on the ballot in Ohio.) Did that help Bush win? I just couldn't, with a clear conscience, get my hand to punch Clinton's hole on the ballot (I'd probably leave a hanging chad anyway!) I do believe that voting is important (certainly on the local scene) but I understand George Carlin when he says that he shouldn't be blamed because he didn't vote. Anyway all that electoral college stuff is crap. And the fact that alternative parties are not allowed equal time in the media is ridiculous. The public might veer away from

My favorite politician is my own congressman here in Cleveland, Mr. Dennis Kucinich. The media makes him out to be a nut so of course he stood no chance in presidential caucuses or primaries. He is one guy who actually fights for the common man and I've been proud to shake his hand at the 4th of July Parade many times.

Anyway about Tim Russert.. I don't generally pay attention to corporate news but he seemed like a nice guy. He went to school here in Cleveland.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:37 am 
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Jeremy wrote:
And then you sit and wonder why the Republicans are dying as a political party. You reap what you sow.

It's spelled "sew," not "sow." A sow is a female pig.

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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:20 am 
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Jeremy wrote:
The liberals are idiots, their policies ate laughable and most of their representatives are elitist dolts who wouldn't know what real Americans looked like if they were dropped off in the middle of an Iowa corn farm. But since Bush took office, the conservatives have become just as bad.



I couldn't have said the first part better myself. As for the second part, replace "conservatives" with "republicans", and again I would agree. But there is a large, very large group of conservatives who can't stand Bush and his brand of "conservatism", which, IMO, isn't conservative at all. Its more like "religious nut job".

And Ollie, you just leave Family Guy out of this.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:28 am 
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Willton wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
And then you sit and wonder why the Republicans are dying as a political party. You reap what you sow.

It's spelled "sew," not "sow." A sow is a female pig.


It's hard to maintain good spelling when you're writing in anger. ;)

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As for the second part, replace "conservatives" with "republicans", and again I would agree.


The two have become interchangeable. The proof of that being the candidacy of one Senator John McCain. The conservatives who seem to favor a return to honest conservative values are no longer the majority. Further proof is in how far Mike Huckabee got in his Presidential campaign.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:57 am 
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As for the second part, replace "conservatives" with "republicans", and again I would agree.


The two have become interchangeable. The proof of that being the candidacy of one Senator John McCain. The conservatives who seem to favor a return to honest conservative values are no longer the majority. Further proof is in how far Mike Huckabee got in his Presidential campaign.


Oh, so earlier you say that Bob is wrong to automatically label everyone who disagrees with him as a liberal, and yet now you tell us conservatives are all republicans. Nothing like throwing around labels.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:59 am 
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Willton wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
And then you sit and wonder why the Republicans are dying as a political party. You reap what you sow.

It's spelled "sew," not "sow." A sow is a female pig.

No, he's right. You sow seed, then you reap the harvest.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sow

Are there any other languages like English, where you can have three different words like so/sew/sow that are pronounced the same, but spelled differently?

Of course, I'm from Pittsburgh. It's quite possible that they ARE pronounced differently in other dialects. :D

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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
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I know I am seen as a nut here as I think 9-11 was an inside job and secret organizations (world's elite) rule the world.

Here is why I think that both of those theories are highly unlikely to be true: both would have to involve hundreds of conspirators at minimum. It is almost impossible to keep anything secret when there are that many people who know the truth.

As to whether or not you're a nut, well, let's face it. You're such a big Pirates fan that you actually take the time to post at a Pirates forum. You're a nut alright, just like the rest of us.

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To me almost all news from the corporate media is propaganda. I'll spout off my opinions here despite being labeled as a conspiracy wacko. :lol:

Whether it is propaganda or not is irrelevant. News is entertainment designed to sell advertising. Your best bet is to get your news from as many different sources as you can, then use your best judgment as to what the facts are.

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How exactly are the Clintons to the far left?

In the sixties or seventies, they wouldn't have been considered far left at all. The political pendulum is always in motion. It reached the far right in the 2002 or 2004 elections, and now it's swinging back the other way. My politics have changed very little over the last 30 years. In the 1980s I had friends who called me a "poor Republican", and they meant it as an insult. Those same friends now think I'm way out on the left somewhere. It wasn't MY positions that changed, though.

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I do believe that voting is important (certainly on the local scene) but I understand George Carlin when he says that he shouldn't be blamed because he didn't vote.

I love Carlin, but he's full of shite on that one.

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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
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BBF wrote:
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As for the second part, replace "conservatives" with "republicans", and again I would agree.


The two have become interchangeable. The proof of that being the candidacy of one Senator John McCain. The conservatives who seem to favor a return to honest conservative values are no longer the majority. Further proof is in how far Mike Huckabee got in his Presidential campaign.


Oh, so earlier you say that Bob is wrong to automatically label everyone who disagrees with him as a liberal, and yet now you tell us conservatives are all republicans. Nothing like throwing around labels.


No, read what I wrote. I said the two terms have become interchangeable, I didn't say they were the same thing. I have friends who are Consevatives (think Dick Lugar) and friends who are Republicans (think John McCain). I know there is a deep and very real divide between the two. But as I tell my Conservative friends, it's their fault that the party had drifted so far astray because they're the ones who have sat back and allowed the Republicans to pervert the core mission and philosophy of the party.


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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
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Jeremy wrote:
It's hard to maintain good spelling when you're writing in anger. ;).


My goodness, I made you angry? Jeremy, it wasn't I who called you names; you did that.

How do you know I'm narrow-minded? That I'm a stereotypical conservative? That I don't believe in the exchange of ideas?

You don't; you just assume that.

I would guess that I've been around a good deal longer than you have, have lived in or traveled to more parts of the world than you have, and probably have had more life experiences than you have. I've been shot at. I've been in floods, hurricanes, and the most powerful earthquake in the history of the Western Hemisphere. I have reared two children. I've worked in mills, on college campuses, in television studios, in press boxes, in military uniform, and in newspaper offices. I've covered a plane crash, a mine cave-in, a presidential appearance, and an NBA playoff game. I've interviewed CEOs, generals, members of Congress, governors, big-city mayors, political activists, academicians, clergymen, economists, head coaches, famous athletes, big-name entertainers, best-selling authors, union presidents, illegal immigrants, other countries' prime ministers, and hundreds of ordinary people.

And you accuse me of being out of touch?

By the way, I have been trained to use an M-16 also.

We should meet sometime. You might even find that you like me.

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 Post subject: Re: NBC Journalist Tim Russert Died
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Bob in Boston wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
It's hard to maintain good spelling when you're writing in anger. ;).


My goodness, I made you angry? Jeremy, it wasn't I who called you names; you did that.

How do you know I'm narrow-minded? That I'm a stereotypical conservative? That I don't believe in the exchange of ideas?

You don't; you just assume that.

I would guess that I've been around a good deal longer than you have, have lived in or traveled to more parts of the world than you have, and probably have had more life experiences than you have. I've been shot at. I've been in floods, hurricanes, and the most powerful earthquake in the history of the Western Hemisphere. I have reared two children. I've worked in mills, on college campuses, in television studios, in press boxes, in military uniform, and in newspaper offices. I've covered a plane crash, a mine cave-in, a presidential appearance, and an NBA playoff game. I've interviewed CEOs, generals, members of Congress, governors, big-city mayors, political activists, academicians, clergymen, economists, head coaches, famous athletes, big-name entertainers, best-selling authors, union presidents, illegal immigrants, other countries' prime ministers, and hundreds of ordinary people.

And you accuse me of being out of touch?

By the way, I have been trained to use an M-16 also.

We should meet sometime. You might even find that you like me.


I like most people Bob. The only people I generally don't like are the talking heads who want to tell me how to live my life and the big government advocates who pretend to be conservatives.

Outside of that, I'm a pretty easy going guy.


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