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 Post subject: Re: Mark Madden is suspended...
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:02 pm 
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Maybe now Smizik can write something thought-provoking and worthwhile with his personal vendette against Madden all but complete. ESPN 1250 is going to have a rough time finding a suitable replacement for the ratings Madden received in the 3-7 pm slot.


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Madden is suspended...
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:05 pm 
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He was fired today. By the ESPN home office.


Located in Bristol Connecticut, a scant 100 miles from Boston Mass. Madden has said worse, but apparently he finally pissed off the wrong people.


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Eric Bowser wrote:
Maybe now Smizik can write something thought-provoking and worthwhile with his personal vendette against Madden all but complete. ESPN 1250 is going to have a rough time finding a suitable replacement for the ratings Madden received in the 3-7 pm slot.


Anybody but Colony. I know.............

"The Smizik and Collier Show", all negativity, all of the time!

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Maybe they can find a spot for Dee Thompson?


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Madden is suspended...
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Madden is trashy but entertaining, but Kennedy is a sacred cow that he should have known not to mess with.

It's kind of interesting that Smizik got Madden fired.


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Eric Bowser wrote:
Maybe now Smizik can write something thought-provoking and worthwhile


I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. It wasn't his vendetta against Madden that was holding him back so much as he is just an extremely poor writer who lacks any insight into his subject.


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Madden is suspended...
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:30 am 
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Ralphie wrote:
Madden is trashy but entertaining, but Kennedy is a sacred cow that he should have known not to mess with.

It's kind of interesting that Smizik got Madden fired.


A media soap opera. Madden ripped Smizik all the time. I'm sure Smizik was just waiting for the chance to do what he did. It was not untill after Smizik's media article about how the station manager seemed to tolerate what Madden said that any action was taken

Madden may be out in Pgh. 104.7, 105.9, 102.5 and 970AM are all Clear Channel owned. The Steelers have a big influence and only if Madden was toned down(doubt he'd do that)would they offer him a spot. KDKA dumped sports talk except for weekends. Unless a non clearchannel station wants to add a shock jock sports talk show as part of their programming, Madden may be history in Pgh.

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regardless of his popularity, the guy was a disgrace to the city of Pittsburgh. We of this town have much more class than that. When you think of sportswriters and broadcasters, you think of classy guys like Cope, Lanny, Prince, Flemming, etc. I would like ESPN to hire a classy guy that would represent the climate and attitude of the people of the city of Pittsburgh. Madden was an embarrasment. If his fans are the type of people who represent the "youth of Pittsburgh," then I am dismayed, because I was taught a whole lot better than that.

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Maybe this guy IS the climate and attitude of the town. His ratings would indicate that.


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Piratefan13 wrote:
regardless of his popularity, the guy was a disgrace to the city of Pittsburgh. We of this town have much more class than that. When you think of sportswriters and broadcasters, you think of classy guys like Cope, Lanny, Prince, Flemming, etc. I would like ESPN to hire a classy guy that would represent the climate and attitude of the people of the city of Pittsburgh. Madden was an embarrasment. If his fans are the type of people who represent the "youth of Pittsburgh," then I am dismayed, because I was taught a whole lot better than that.

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I think it is much simpler than that...people love a trainwreck. Madden was a trainwreck.


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Maybe this guy IS the climate and attitude of the town. His ratings would indicate that.


And Howard Stern the climate and attitude of the country?
There has been a lack of respect climate in general for the last 15-20 years. The line of free speech seems to keep being lowered and lowered. I'm not sure where the line needs to be. All I know is when a kid pops off, you better think twice about what you say or do. I've seen too many cases where a kid can be a be a complete jerk and if you say or do something as an adult, you're the one in trouble.

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I'm always amazed at the number of people who view coarseness, vulgarity and insults as some kind of "truth". As if "truth" is defined by taking potshots as the successful to create one's own success.

The fall of such "truth-sayers" is almost always ugly, by my observation.

But, it is just my observation. Is there a sabremetric for that kind of thing Econo???? 8-)

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Struck a nerve eh? LOL
I never mentioned Howard Stern did I?
I teach school. You don't have to tell me about the decline of social mores and respect in the last 30 years. I have been cusses at (lost count) and assaulted 4 times. This just in the past 3 years.


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Freedom of speech is a canard.


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
I teach school. You don't have to tell me about the decline of social mores and respect in the last 30 years. I have been cusses at (lost count) and assaulted 4 times. This just in the past 3 years.


You have my respect AZ. Thank you.


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Freedom of speech is a canard.


Really? Let me know when the FBI shows up at Madden's door and arrests him then.

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ZelieMike wrote:
Argentum wrote:
Freedom of speech is a canard.


Really? Let me know when the FBI shows up at Madden's door and arrests him then.

ZM


So being arrested is the only form of punishment for those who partake in "freedom of speech"?


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I think you must be arguing for the sake arguing here.

This one is easy. Freedom of speech is political speech only. It does not apply to a private company with employees under contractual terms fo employment.

No private entity should have to put up with anything below their standards. That is the purpose of a contract.

Madden violated his contract. He was employed at the leasure of Bristol. They can fire without cause, and it won't affect freedom of speech one iota.

It may only make for more sane radio.

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I will admit, I like Senator Kennedy as much as a pimple on my rear-end, but there are things that should remain unsaid. So Madden doesn't like Kennedy either, but comments such as those don't generally hurt the target, they hurt the loved ones around the target. Just classless, thoughtless, and self serving.

"Freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from being a jaggoff and it doesn't protect you from losing your job, I don't think I read that anywhere in our constitution. The employer should have the right to dump an employee if they do not feel as though the employee is representing their best interests.

Being that ESPN is a "New England" based company, and Kennedy is a representative of that area, they had no choice but to fire him.


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Struck a nerve eh? LOL
I never mentioned Howard Stern did I?
I teach school. You don't have to tell me about the decline of social mores and respect in the last 30 years. I have been cusses at (lost count) and assaulted 4 times. This just in the past 3 years.


No you did not mention the King of all media but did mention that Maddens ratings were maybe the climate and attitude of the town. Stern had the highest radio ratings in the country. Get it?

Well my wife teaches elementary. I have coached Hockey & Soccer from JV to Elementay ages. I also help teach Sunday School grades. 7-12 I've been lucky because I dont have to report to a school board...just the Parents and the board running the club. If a kid assaults another kid or coach, they are suspended for a game or the entire season depending on the severity of the situation. But I see what goes on in the schools. I had a cousin who quit because of what you are having to put up with. The under 25 crowd has a total lack of respect for others. Sad part is that my generation raised the lack of respect crowd.

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I will admit, I like Senator Kennedy as much as a pimple on my rear-end, but there are things that should remain unsaid. So Madden doesn't like Kennedy either, but comments such as those don't generally hurt the target, they hurt the loved ones around the target. Just classless, thoughtless, and self serving.

"Freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from being a jaggoff and it doesn't protect you from losing your job, I don't think I read that anywhere in our constitution. The employer should have the right to dump an employee if they do not feel as though the employee is representing their best interests.

Being that ESPN is a "New England" based company, and Kennedy is a representative of that area, they had no choice but to fire him.

If Madden were fired for those comments, then ESPN could be sued by Madden. What he said was highly offensive, even if said in the context of a joke. However, what he said was not legally obscene, thus it is protected by the 1st Amendment. ESPN can surely fire him, but Madden would have the Bill of Rights on his side in a lawsuit.

While ESPN owns the station, the station does not own the airwaves. The people, i.e. the citizens of the USA own the airwaves. To be found legally obscene, and thus making Madden completely in the wrong, the current definition of legally obscene is as follows:

The Supreme Court must find the comments Worthless "utterly without redeeming social importance" or sexually lewd. Obviously the comments weren't sexually lewd, but it could be argued they were worthless. However, the comments were made in a joking fashion, and even as so would still possibly have a redeeming social importance.

Jay Leno, Letterman take shots all the time.

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