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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:58 pm 
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10. Yeah.. major tournaments are decided by penalty kicks.. it seems silly, but what is the alternative? You want to make the players run for three or four hours to determine
a winner? They are exhausted!! Ice hockey uses four lines.. in soccer you need to be in the ultimate shape.

And, Barry, there is a fan base believe it or not.. so many immigrants in these here United States. ESPN has to show the Euros. I don't have cable though.. need to go to
Bucfan's house. ;)

Umm.. I need to stop here and eat a veggie patty.


Ollie, if they are so tired let them play until one team breaks. That way you measure will to win and conditioning instead of fluky kicks from a short distance away.


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Most, if not all, of the faults Bucfan pointed out are very accurate and worthy of note.

However, as a casual futbol fan, I'm willing to overlook most of them when the teams are top-level like the WC or Euro/Champions League because I do appreciate the fluidity of the game (like that header Spain had against France... Da-YUM! B. UTE. E. FULL!)

Two things that does bug me about Soccer which I don't think Bucfan mentioned: The fans and the season (length)

[Many, not all of] The really passionate ones overseas are hooligans and [many, not all of] the state-side ones are hipsters.

The 'knock' that most hockey fans get (it's a 'niche sport', with 'weird rules' and a 'elitest fanbase') applies tenfold to soccer fans. And at least Canucks are a hell of alot nicer than Europeans.

And the 'season'... I'm far from sure, but I feel like it starts in August and ends in July. And there's always these different 'cups' going on during at different points of any given team's season... There seems to be no 'crest' or natural 'flow' to it (compared to US sports). WTF??? I feel like I need an encyclopedia, a racing form and a decrypter to follow along (much like the Marx Bros. famous 'tootie fruity ice cream sketch).

I do like Soccer. I do want to follow more Euro soccer. But it seems like a bloody chore involving uber passionate fans. And I don't want to 'become one of them'.

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Yawn. Same old drivel I've heard for years from people who just won't take the time to actually understand a different game.

Part of what makes the game so exciting is the rarity of the goals, especially in tournaments. Each time a team gets close or takes a shot can put you on the edge of your seat. 2-2 at the half or 0-0 in the 80th, it doesn't really matter if the next shot could be the winner. And since goals are so rare, players don't want to waste shots, and when they do they look foolish.

As far as time goes, how would you go about stopping and starting the clock? Players have the option to throw the ball back into play as quickly as they want or take direct free kicks as quickly as they want. There's no time for a ref to halt play just for the sake of keeping the clock. They estimate the amount of time that has been spend not playing in each half. It's usually 2-3 minutes. If there's some injuries, you could get 4-5... It runs up instead of down, this can't really be a complain, can it?

What this mindset basically amounts to is, it's not like other sports your used to and the only way you'll "like" it is if it changes to meet your expectations. It's a different game. Get use to it, it's not going to get used to you.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Most, if not all, of the faults Bucfan pointed out are very accurate and worthy of note.

However, as a casual futbol fan, I'm willing to overlook most of them when the teams are top-level like the WC or Euro/Champions League because I do appreciate the fluidity of the game (like that header Spain had against France... Da-YUM! B. UTE. E. FULL!)

Two things that does bug me about Soccer which I don't think Bucfan mentioned: The fans and the season (length)

[Many, not all of] The really passionate ones overseas are hooligans and [many, not all of] the state-side ones are hipsters.

The 'knock' that most hockey fans get (it's a 'niche sport', with 'weird rules' and a 'elitest fanbase') applies tenfold to soccer fans. And at least Canucks are a hell of alot nicer than Europeans.

And the 'season'... I'm far from sure, but I feel like it starts in August and ends in July. And there's always these different 'cups' going on during at different points of any given team's season... There seems to be no 'crest' or natural 'flow' to it (compared to US sports). WTF??? I feel like I need an encyclopedia, a racing form and a decrypter to follow along (much like the Marx Bros. famous 'tootie fruity ice cream sketch).

I do like Soccer. I do want to follow more Euro soccer. But it seems like a bloody chore involving uber passionate fans. And I don't want to 'become one of them'.



Most soccer fans are not hooligans. This is completely false. Hooliganism is as despised in Europe as it is here. Do they have more of it? Yes. But the vast majority of fans are just like anyone else. This idea would fall into the "French women don't shave" type of myths that survive in our country for some reason.

There are mean and nice people everywhere. I've met plenty of nasty Canadians.

It's a global game, so, yes, there is always going to be a season of some sort going on according to a country's weather. Most European leagues run August to May. MLS runs March-November.

The mid-season tournament is something that is a little hard to explain to people who are unfamiliar with them. In Europe, there are pyramid systems for the leagues that operate with a promotion/relegation system. Just imagine MLB had no farm systems and clubs like Indianapolis operated independently. Then, imagine that AAA is a step below MLB, similarly to how it already is, but at the end of the season, the best 2-3 teams from AAA move up to MLB while the worst 2-3 teams in MLB move down.

So, in England, for example, their entire pyramid is run by the Football Association, the FA. The FA Cup is a tournament that puts their entire pyramid into competition.

The FA is a member of UEFA, which is the governing body of all of Europe. They have their own club tournaments, the UEFA Champions League, which sets the best clubs from around the entire continent against one another, and the Europa League, which is for lesser clubs.

Then there are summer tournaments for national teams, like the World Cup, EURO, Confederations Cup, CONCACAF Gold Cup, etc..


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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Very erudite RTJR

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RTJR wrote:
Most soccer fans are not hooligans. This is completely false.


I said many, not most. And I may be misusing the term 'hooligan'. I guess I should simplify as 'douchebag', such as Cowboys, Lakers or Yankees fans. Many (Euro) soccer fans strike me as that type.

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I've met plenty of nasty Canadians.


IMPOSSIBLE!!! :D

Except for Scott... he's a dick. He's not my friend, buddy. And he's not my buddy, guy! :lol:

Otherwise, my 'complaints' don't bug me so much as deter me because, as I said, I'm already invested enough in US sports that I don't want to nerd out any more on Euro ones. I'd like to enjoy what little free time I have left outside of the realm of sport! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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Perhaps. Hooligans are the people who you hear stories about that give the game a bad reputation, like rioting, fighting, throwing flares or other objects onto the field...all the way to murdering others who are fans of a rival (not very common, but it has happened).

Being a passionate fan does not make one a hooligan.

There are "front-runners" and "glory-hunters", even in Europe. They do have quite a bit in common with our Lakers, Yankees, Cowboys fans.

I don't have room for any more sports, either. Soccer itself is quite fast because of it's scope. Many people support multiple teams, even multiple countries. It's enough to consume all of someone's sporting attention, for sure. But I also like football, hockey, and baseball, and not much else sporting wise.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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The thing that I hate most about soccer? The American fans who possess such an inferiority complex about their love of soccer that they feel the incessant need to tell you why soccer is the greatest thing ever. And, if you don't love soccer as much as they do, then you are a stupid imbecile and lower on the food chain. Seriously, the righteous indignation expressed by soccer fans is nauseating.

You know what? I could sit in the stands and watch four consecutive baseball games - by myself - and be thoroughly entertained. I don't care if no one else would do that. I don't feel the need to jam my love of the game down anyone else's throat. If you don't like baseball, I don't give a rat's ass. I may personally think that you are missing out on a wonderful game but that is your perogative. If you don't like baseball, leave me alone and shut the "f--k" up about soccer. I don't care if its the most popular sport on Earth. I don't care if every country but the United States loves soccer. Get past your insecurities, watch your sport and enjoy it. No need to try to recruit additional supporters. If I had a dime for everytime I've heard that soccer would pass baseball or basketball in national popularity, I could retire. I've been hearing it since the Chicago Sting was a franchise of consequence. Still waiting . . . .

With that . . . I'll share a story. A young associate at our firm was a highly touted high school player (some claim that he may have been the best ever in this state) who also played at . . . I think Wake Forest. I walked through the lunch room one day as he was standing next to the refrigerator. I picked up an apple and tossed it in his direction. He caught it with his hands. My response? "Yep . . . you used your hands. That's why soccer is unnatural. You didn't try to head it, you didn't try to bounce it on your knees or chest it to the ground. We are unique as humans because of the opposable thumb. Any sport that doesn't allow you to use the opposable thumb is setting us backwards on the evolutionary chain and runs the risk of creating a bunch of flippered children who don't have a use for their hands. "

He got a good laugh out of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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Soooooo... what you are saying is that Mermaids are an ancient race of women who played soccer? :o

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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Feel free to tell my how great the sport is, how well-conditioned the athletes are, blah, blah, but I do not like professional soccer. Here are the top 10 reasons why:

    1. The lack of scoring. I like a well-played defensive game, just like the next guy, but good heavens, ENOUGH with the nil-nil crap. Not every game should be Verlander vs. Hamels. Take that back ... Verlander vs. Hamels will eventually see at least some scoring.

    2. The offsides rule. Who the hell cares if a team wants to run the risk of having guys go on the offensive and blow past defenders? Really, shouldn't that be, oh, I don't know, REWARDED???

    3. The annoying lack of scoring may be due in large part to the inexplicable refusal by players TO TAKE A DAMN SHOT. Seriously, 3 passes in a phone-booth size area right in front of the goal, BUT NOT ONE DAMN SHOT?!?! What gives??? Shoot the effing thing. The saying in hockey, "Any shot on goal is a good shot." Which leads to the next issue ...

    4. Why in hell do shots (rare as they are) miss the barn-size goal by 20 feet? Jesus, these idiots spend eons finally getting into position for a shot, and theeeeen ... "Oh, over the goal by a mile. Again. And again."

    5. The cards. Yellow, red, blue, rainbow, what is that? Grow up already. Which leads to ...

    6. No replacement player for the red carded guy? Ejection is not punishment enough? No other sport involves losing a player upon his ejection without allowing a replacement. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. The stupid card thing may explain ...

    7. The whining and gesturing to the referee DURING LIVE ACTION. Every game, numerous times, a guy will lay on the ground and gesture and put on a show to the referee, which never works SINCE THE DARN GAME IS STILL ON AND THE BALL IS NOWHERE NEAR THAT SPOT ANY MORE.

    8. The clock. The game is 90 minutes ... well, with the added time. How much added time? Nobody knows, since if action is rolling, hey, more time, right? I guess even the referee is so stunned that something is happening that he loses track of the clock. 3 minutes "stoppage?" Oh, I meant 3:20. Or 3:40. Or 4. Or whatever the hell I decide.

    9.. The endless diving, rolling, moaning, twisting and faking. Why?? Trying to get the stupid red card. Allow replacements, and that stupid play acting slows down or stops. This is such a joke and such a large part of the sport that ESPN made fun of the rolling on the ground.

    10. The dumbest part of the sport - the shoot-out. Hockey recognizes how dumb a shoot-out is by replacing it in the playoffs. Seriously, a game decided by this dumb


I played youth soccer to keep busy as a kid and was pretty good. When I got to high school and knew my #1 sport was wrestling, I decided not to play football in the fall and play soccer for the conditioning.
I lettered my junior and senior year. I was a goon. I matched up against the other team's top guy and just physically beat him up. Shoulder to shoulder hits, slide tackles, kicking him in the back of the calf. Remember I was a heavyweight. I got thrown out of game once when I slide tackled a goalie in a blowout loss and the slide tackle turned into a fireman's carry.

Soccer is fun to play, but I can't stand watching it on tv.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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The thing that I hate most about soccer? The American fans who possess such an inferiority complex about their love of soccer that they feel the incessant need to tell you why soccer is the greatest thing ever. And, if you don't love soccer as much as they do, then you are a stupid imbecile and lower on the food chain. Seriously, the righteous indignation expressed by soccer fans is nauseating.

Righteous indignation from soccer fans? Did you not read Bucfan's post?

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No. 9 wrote:
The thing that I hate most about soccer? The American fans who possess such an inferiority complex about their love of soccer that they feel the incessant need to tell you why soccer is the greatest thing ever. And, if you don't love soccer as much as they do, then you are a stupid imbecile and lower on the food chain. Seriously, the righteous indignation expressed by soccer fans is nauseating.

With that . . . I'll share a story. A young associate at our firm was a highly touted high school player (some claim that he may have been the best ever in this state) who also played at . . . I think Wake Forest. I walked through the lunch room one day as he was standing next to the refrigerator. I picked up an apple and tossed it in his direction. He caught it with his hands. My response? "Yep . . . you used your hands. That's why soccer is unnatural. You didn't try to head it, you didn't try to bounce it on your knees or chest it to the ground. We are unique as humans because of the opposable thumb. Any sport that doesn't allow you to use the opposable thumb is setting us backwards on the evolutionary chain and runs the risk of creating a bunch of flippered children who don't have a use for their hands. "


Sorry to be so late to the party....

You hit the nail on the head, #9. I tell my kids this all the time. Soccer is unnatural and I'm glad you brought that up. We're not meant to play with our feet, but that is the challenge. It is why soccer is low-scoring, why it's easier to hit a major league curveball than a full volley, and why the game's appeal is a mystery to most American sports fans.

As to the original poster, soccer is a wildly different game, and culture, than most American sports. American sports, if I can generalize, have two defining characteristics. They are (1) coach driven as opposed to player driven, and (2) overly controlled by referees. In regards to #1, American sports coaches are typically at the front of the game. The sports, be it baseball, football or basketball, allow timeouts, frequent substitutions and give the coach ample opportunity to confront the refs. In soccer, once the game starts, the coach is minimal. The field is too big for him to give his players much in the way of instruction and he cannot call a play for his players to enact. No huddles, no trips to the mound, certainly no 3rd base coach making the decision for the runner to hold up or go home. So, each player has to make/her own decisions. And with point #2, American sports are more regulated by the refs. In b-ball, you can't even take a free throw without the ref giving you the ball. So, there is a sense of order to the games that seems to be missing in soccer, as expressed by your rant against the timing of the game.

As for diving, well, no one likes that. It is a blight. However, I am incensed by what coaches get away in American sports. A coach coming onto the field, kicking dust on the ref. That to me is far more petty, petulant and disrespectful. And in b-ball and football, coaches are proud of how they "work" the refs. I much, much prefer soccer.

Yeah, we soccer fans have an inferiority complex, but when you grow up being told how baseball is the American pasttime, how much we're told we have to make March Madness brackets, etc, well, I think it is only natural. If ESPN is stuffing soccer down your throat, it's because they can make money doing so. Look, I hate televised poker, but it gets a lot of airtime as well. But I only see anti-soccer rants on a message board like this, not anti-poker ones.

Here's what I especially like about soccer the older I get. Most importantly, you don't have to be big to be good. Normal sized people can play soccer. The best player in the world right now is a guy who is 5'7" (and he took human growth hormones as a 10 year old to even get to that height): Leo Messi. My personal choice for best player in the world is Xavi Hernandez and he's only 5'8". Pele and Maradonna, both about 5'8". So we know when we watch pro soccer we're getting best players in the world. Who knows, maybe the best NBA player ever was a 5'8" center. Only he never got the chance.

And world soccer tournaments. Nothing like them anywhere. Look, I love March Madness. The central operating conceit is win-or-go-home. You have to be the best every time you walk on the floor. No excuses. Football is like that too. But, as you know, sometimes things happen, you get an off night. Baseball and b-ball are organized around the theory that you see greatness over time, and shouldn't even a champion get an off night. Both have their merits, but world soccer allows for both issues. In the first round, 4 teams are grouped together and they play a round robin. Top two teams advance. This means you can have the hiccup, the off night, but the talent should still rise to the top. Then, it's knockout. Win or go home. There is no tomorrow. Soccer gives you the best of both worlds.

As for penalty shoot outs. I love em. But I know that I am in the minority. It is jarring to take a sport where the ball rarely stops, the refs are absent, and then have the game stop for the excruciating shots. But, it is the purest form of pressure I know, esp in a team game. Maybe being on the 18th green having to hit a 30' putt to win it all is harder, but there's nothing in team sports. I like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 things I hate about soccer
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NBC is doing pretty well, ratings-wise, on it's decision to cover the English Premier League:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/ ... cer-Gamble

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Within the first five weeks, NBC racked up over 9 million viewers, averaging 391,000 viewers per game. Those aren’t anywhere near NFL numbers, but they’re not bad at all, especially considering when the games air. Because of the time difference between the U.S. and U.K., all of those viewers came during weekend mornings and early afternoon timeslots (depending on the time zone), when other channels mostly show children’s programming and news. NBC’s early numbers represent a 70 percent increase over FSC’s ratings over the same period last year. TV programming execs have discovered what Irish bars have known for years: There is an audience for sports in the morning.



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Most impressively, kids aged 6 to 17 make up 11 percent of the audience. In comparison, the same age group made up only 4.6 percent of the World Series audience, a fact that has to have MLB sweating about its future fandom. Several generations of middle class American kids have now grown up with soccer as a game they played but didn’t often watch. Now NBC has given them an easier way to follow soccer when they’re not on the pitch and watch what many consider to the best league in the world.


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Well, sure... have a couple announcers with a sweet accent. Take a break for tea. You got a winner.

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I think MLB's future is fine, especially with such a massive influx coming from south of the border. Football is honestly going to start declining soon if it hasn't started already. Fewer people want to put themselves in harms way the way football does with concussions and whatnot, not when there's baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. available; sports that won't shorten your lifespan by 20 years and leave you with brain damage.

Soccer is definitely on the rise, and it's definitely for real this time. Naysayers like to point to the 70s when Pele and the NASL were around and say people said the same thing then. This time, it's much different. MLS is healthy and growing, averaging nearly 20,000 a game; Seattle gets around 40,000. Access to live English Premier League matches is a first, though it's been around for about 15-20 years, this is the first time a major network has actually heavily invested in it (FOX did a half-assed job when they held the rights). FOX broadcasts the UEFA Champions League matches, which ESPN had previously. FOX offers far more games, however, broadcasting on FSN, FS1, FS2, FSP, and the main network for the final. And then there's the World Cup, which more than anything I think, adds to the awareness and interest in the sport. This summer's World Cup will undoubtedly see record viewership, a trend that has been going on since 1998.


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