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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:03 pm 
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ZelieMike wrote:
How did they win?

Simple.

Their defense is the best.

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Well, except maybe for Bryant McFadden. ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:13 am 
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Anybody (not) watching MNF?

The Patriots (again) showed why I have my doubts about the Steelers Super Bowl chances this season.

They're freakishly good.

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:18 pm 
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The defense has been slowed down by the injuries to Smith and Kiesel. Kiesel returned on Sunday against the Ravens and the defense applied better pass pressure.

The offense ... I don't know what to say. If the offensive line was not wracked with injuries, I believe that the conversation would be different. Not glowingly positive, just different.

Both staring tackles out. That means that Trai Essex starts. *gag* I believe that "Trai" earned his first name by downing mountains of snack trays. Being embarrassinly fat seems to be his best attribute.

As for the Patsies ... the never-ending rule changes designed to benefit the short passing game were actually noticed by Belichick (asshole). No contact beyond 5 yards, offensive lineman are free to hold, the back judge never calls offensive PI on pick plays.

The patsies put those benefits to use. They run crossing routes and WR screens that involve blatant picks and blocks by other WR's, well before the ball is thrown. Why is Welker always wide open over the middle? Because the TE or other WR on that side set a pick. Until the league starts to penalize the pick play, it is damn near impossible to stop.

Damn near. Have a LB'er and a safety patrol the middle of the field and light up every receivers that comes that way ... the short passing game will slow down.


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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:25 pm 
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I think we would all agree that the Patriots look a lot better than the Steelers right now. In fact they look a lot better than everybody.

But that's no reason to give up hope. If the Steelers can lock up the #2 seed, which is well within their reach, then win their first playoff game and presumably go to Boston for the AFC Championship, I'll take those odds from that point.

You never know how the bounces or the injuries are going to go.


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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:49 pm 
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I was honestly hoping the Steelers lost to the Ravens. Why? Because the 3-4 seeds are probably going to be KC and JAX in some order.

I think it's almost guaranteed the Steelers could handle those two teams in the first round and then carry momentum on the road for the second round (for a rematch with either the Pats or Ravens).

Still, having a bye would certainly help the OL. Either way it appears a second round game is a lock.

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NSMaster56 wrote:
I was honestly hoping the Steelers lost to the Ravens. Why? Because the 3-4 seeds are probably going to be KC and JAX in some order.

I think it's almost guaranteed the Steelers could handle those two teams in the first round and then carry momentum on the road for the second round (for a rematch with either the Pats or Ravens).

Still, having a bye would certainly help the OL. Either way it appears a second round game is a lock.

Not sure how it benefits the Steeler to have to beat a team like Jax or KC on the road the first round.

Then, they travel to either NE or Baltimore for the 2nd round, depending on seeding. Then, they have to take on the winner of the other game (either Baltimore or NE).

Getting a wild card in the AFC means that you probably have to beat both the No. 1 and No. 2 seeds, on the road. For the Steelers, that would mean no week off, and two road games after winning the opening round.

Here is my prediction .... some teams own other teams. The effing Patsies have the Steelers number. However, the Patsies DO NOT play well against or matchup the same against the Ravens.

The Ravens are the No. 6 seed at this point. I believe that the Ravens go 11-5, and finish with the 6 seed.

When the Ravens beat the 3 seed (Kansas City), they then take on the No. 1 seed (almost certainly the Patsies). I see the Rats betting the Pats, and then coming to Pittsburgh for another AFC Championship loss.

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:48 am 
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Bucfan wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
I was honestly hoping the Steelers lost to the Ravens. Why? Because the 3-4 seeds are probably going to be KC and JAX in some order.

I think it's almost guaranteed the Steelers could handle those two teams in the first round and then carry momentum on the road for the second round (for a rematch with either the Pats or Ravens).

Still, having a bye would certainly help the OL. Either way it appears a second round game is a lock.

Not sure how it benefits the Steeler to have to beat a team like Jax or KC on the road the first round.

Then, they travel to either NE or Baltimore for the 2nd round, depending on seeding. Then, they have to take on the winner of the other game (either Baltimore or NE).

Getting a wild card in the AFC means that you probably have to beat both the No. 1 and No. 2 seeds, on the road. For the Steelers, that would mean no week off, and two road games after winning the opening round.


It worked for them in 05.

To my (more recent) memories, the Steelers play well/better when they're 'up against it' (certainly under Cowher), be it a 'must win' or on the road. They seem to get complacent after byes and/or when playing inferior opponents (which, in theory, if they had the #2 seed their opponent would be 'not as good').

Also recently, alot of teams have used early round wins as momentum and helped them into the Championship round and/or Super Bowl (05 Steelers & Panthers, 06 Colts, 07 Giants & Chargers, 08 Ravens and Cardinals, 09 Jets). Hence, my favoritism to the Steelers playing a first round game vs. a team I KNOW they can beat (Jags/Colts, Chiefs/Chargers) and then onto New England or B-More.

However, I don't think the seeding will ultimately matter that much, because the AFC is rough this year and it's going to be a battle royale no matter which teams face otehrs in what round(s); but early momentum could certainly help a team out.

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Here is my prediction .... some teams own other teams. The effing Patsies have the Steelers number. However, the Patsies DO NOT play well against or matchup the same against the Ravens.

The Ravens are the No. 6 seed at this point. I believe that the Ravens go 11-5, and finish with the 6 seed.

When the Ravens beat the 3 seed (Kansas City), they then take on the No. 1 seed (almost certainly the Patsies). I see the Rats betting the Pats, and then coming to Pittsburgh for another AFC Championship loss.

You heard it hear first.


That's a solid prediction (that I didn't consider) and one I could get behind. :idea:

You've rekindled my hope. Drinks on me when it happens.

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
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They were alot younger in 2005...They need the bye week to stay healthy...

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
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Man do I love the Defense (and Carson Palmer; wish we could play him every week!), but I loathe the offense.

I've been saying it for two years now and I won't stop until it happens: Fire Bruce Arians.

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Man do I love the Defense (and Carson Palmer; wish we could play him every week!), but I loathe the offense.

I've been saying it for two years now and I won't stop until it happens: Fire Bruce Arians.


Agreed on concerns about the offense. The simple fact is that the offense cannot produce in the red zone, where it matters most.

How about play action on first down? No, no, no ... let's not throw until 3rd and goal, with empty backfield. That will slow the rush.

Or how about a desultory attempt at running, with 8 guys on the line of scrimmage, followed by a refusal to run on 2nd down, where the defense goes nickel? Guaranteed success ... for Suisham.


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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
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The offense is a concern for me, mostly because of the line injuries and the other set of rules the NFL uses when the Steelers are on offense...

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Bucfan wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:

Agreed on concerns about the offense. The simple fact is that the offense cannot produce in the red zone, where it matters most.

How about play action on first down? No, no, no ... let's not throw until 3rd and goal, with empty backfield. That will slow the rush.

Or how about a desultory attempt at running, with 8 guys on the line of scrimmage, followed by a refusal to run on 2nd down, where the defense goes nickel? Guaranteed success ... for Suisham.


This is Bruce Arians. I'm not one to say Arians sucks this or that. I will say he is simply not the best philosophical match to this O-line. These guys are run blocking maulers from the bygone Cowher era (mostly) who can run block, but need a real commitment to the run to realize their maximum abilities in pass blocking. In other words, Jerome with a fullback in front of him exploding into a point of attack and wearing down smaller linebackers and corners.

Arians is a sprint draw guy. You get what you get with sprint draw offenses, i.e., lots of stats, lots of movement between the 20's and a distinct inability to work in tight spaces without the area to open up for .... the spring draw.

Arians is actually quite imaginative at trying different dinks and dunks in tight spaces, but he is congenitally indifferent to the idea of the fullback concept.

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nad69dan wrote:
The offense is a concern for me, mostly because of the line injuries and the other set of rules the NFL uses when the Steelers are on offense...

Yep. And not much they can do about either.

Steelers have been called for 30 offensive holding penalties this year, on 373 pass attempts (2nd fewest pass attempts in the NFL). That means one holding call every 12.4 pass attempts.

I mention pass attempts, because holding happens on pass plays far more frequently than on running plays. The new NFL allows offensive lineman to get away with ridiculous amount of holding to "protect" the QB's. This completely screws teams that throw the ball less.

The league tries to counterbalance this fiasco by calling a lot more questionable holds on running plays, usually on TE's or wide receivers. Not a good scenario for the Steelers.


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Good thing the Steelers have that one-game lead and a soft schedule down the stretch:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5933114

That BYE is looking great now.

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NSMaster56 wrote:
Anyone who thinks they'll do better than 11-5 and a second round playoff exit (could easily be first round) is delusional.


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J_C_Steel wrote:
NSMaster56 wrote:
Anyone who thinks they'll do better than 11-5 and a second round playoff exit (could easily be first round) is delusional.


Swing and a miss!


Don't count chickens; the playoffs haven't even begun yet and the AFC is loaded.

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 Post subject: Re: Stiller nation so quiet?
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NSMaster56 wrote:
Don't count chickens; the playoffs haven't even begun yet and the AFC is loaded.

The AFC has been unloaded.

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