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 Post subject: Re: Top-10 complaints about World Cup soccer ...
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:44 pm 
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Soccer's almost as much fun as NASCAR. NASCAR comes in a distant second to colonoscopies. Colonoscopies are definitely a step up from swimming through a pool of habanero sauce and broken glass. The habanero pool is still better than Nascar though, which in turn is still slightly better than soccer.

But soccer is better than one thing I suppose........dying.

Oh, and Lutefisk.



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I quote Bertie on this one-


"Soccer is merely fodder for the unthinking class."


Goodness me BBF, where did you dig that up from?

One has reluctantly had to get involved in all the hype surrounding the World Cup to encourage customers to come and watch the game in the Pub. However, after just one week of it, the saturation coverage on all forms of the media has become wearisome to the point of depression.

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I imagine similar things could be said about baseball. ("What strategy?? Throw ball, swing bat?").


Or, as the sabre guys say...

Hitters hit, Pitchers pitch.

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Driving to work last week, ESPN doing some sort of World Cup report . . . a coach of some team said that they were travelling to South Africa for their first match hoping for a nil/nil tie. I found that statement to sum up - in large part - my thoughts about soccer. Not only hoping for a tie at the end of an athletic competition but to hope that there is no scoring.

I was in Ireland and Scotland four years ago and found the passion for the sport to be very exciting and fascinating. It is nothing that I had ever seen before or since. That being written, I just am not a fan of the sport. I am not a "hater" of soccer but, to be blunt, I am a "hater" of the soccer fan that wants to shove the sport down my throat. I don't care if people hate, love or are indifferent about baseball . . . I don't see any need to have to defend the sport unless someone asks me why I like it so much. My experience with a large number of soccer fans is that they get angry with you if you don't love the game. I've been hearing for at least 20 years that soccer is on the verge of taking over as the country's second most popular sport behind football. Still waiting . . . .

The overstatement of the case for soccer by the zealots makes me laugh. "Those guys are running hard for 90+ straight minutes . . . how hard do baseball players run?" is my favorite. First, soccer players are not running constantly. Not even close. The notion is laughable. Second, I never argued or claimed that baseball players are in constant motion for nearly three hours. If anyone argued that, they are just as silly as soccer fans claiming that a match is 90+ minutes of constant running. I get the fact that soccer players are in good shape. No doubt about it. However, I don't really care. For me, it is the sport as a whole that I enjoy. 300+ lb. linemen may not be able to run a fast 100 meter dash but I certainly enjoy watching them knock the crap out of an opponent.

At our firm, one of the attorneys was arguably the best high school soccer player to play in history of the State of Iowa. Played at Wake Forest on a full ride and played at some professional level for a couple of years. We kid each other jokingly about baseball (he's a Yankees zealot) v. soccer. Last week, I walked through the copy room/break room to get a cup of coffee. He was in there. I grabbed a mug, spun around, said "hey, Nick," and tossed the mug to him. He caught it. I replied "yep . . . didn't think so. How come you didn't head it to the ground or bounce it on your knees? You know why? Because any sport that doesn't allow humans to use their hands sets us backwards on the evolutionary scale. Its unnatural."

I also kid him that, because his wife is pregnant, that his child will be born with flippers rather than arms and hands. Why does he/she need hands if he/she is going to play soccer? Flippers will be just fine. ;)

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Jim Rome on soccer: "Not a sport. Its simply an excuse to riot."

Not a huge Rome fan but I did laugh at that.

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I enjoyed Adam 'Lakers' Carolla's take on Soccer:

'Our 150 pound guys beat your 150 pound guys 1-0, so we're CLEARLY the better team!' :lol:

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It's easy for us in developed nations to say soccer isn't a real sport. Imagine you grew up in the slums of
Soweto or Bogotá or any number of places in the third world. A ball is everything when other equipment
is so expensive.

The same people who say soccer isn't a sport also say women can't play sports. Jim Rome's show is not a
sports show. How does he feel when people say that?

Having said that, we have a situation in Group A which I don't like. Mexico and Uruguay will both advance
if they play to a draw in their upcoming match. Of course they will. There's no incentive for either team
to take a shot on goal. They should allow free admission to that game.

Carolla is a fool. He isn't even impressed by Manny Pacquiao..


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Ollie wrote:
It's easy for us in developed nations to say soccer isn't a real sport. Imagine you grew up in the slums of
Soweto or Bogotá or any number of places in the third world. A ball is everything when other equipment
is so expensive.

The same people who say soccer isn't a sport also say women can't play sports. Jim Rome's show is not a
sports show. How does he feel when people say that?

Having said that, we have a situation in Group A which I don't like. Mexico and Uruguay will both advance
if they play to a draw in their upcoming match. Of course they will. There's no incentive for either team
to take a shot on goal. They should allow free admission to that game.

I guess Manny Pacquiao isn't impressive in the eyes of Adam Carolla either. He weighs less than 150.


Probably not, but I did give a chuckle over his comments. True when you think about it.

But I am loving the WC, despite any faults.

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Argentum wrote:
Soccer's almost as much fun as NASCAR. NASCAR comes in a distant second to colonoscopies. Colonoscopies are definitely a step up from swimming through a pool of habanero sauce and broken glass. The habanero pool is still better than Nascar though, which in turn is still slightly better than soccer.

But soccer is better than one thing I suppose........dying.

Oh, and Lutefisk.

I pay kudos to Silver's post. I was trying to be funny; Argentum succeeded.


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 Post subject: Re: Top-10 complaints about World Cup soccer ...
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In support of number 1, I offer the following:



Holy shit, it's amazing he didn't lose the leg. :D


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Having grown up in America, I can understand your point of view Bucfan. Fans of American sports are used to high scoring games and winners in our sporting contests, which alot of times isn't present in soccer. But having watched soccer for 16 years has shown me that its about how you play(with creativity, flair, speed, etc) and not how many goals you score.

About the argument between soccer and auto racing, I would argue that more skill is required in soccer than in most auto racing. Now I know that skill is involved in auto racing, but seeing dudes drive around in a loop for 500 some odd miles just doesn't do it for me.

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darthpirate9 wrote:
Having grown up in America, I can understand your point of view Bucfan. Fans of American sports are used to high scoring games and winners in our sporting contests, which alot of times isn't present in soccer. But having watched soccer for 16 years has shown me that its about how you play(with creativity, flair, speed, etc) and not how many goals you score.

darth, that number is 0 a shockingly high percentage of the time.

My post was 50% humor, 50% serious jibe at World Cup soccer. The dreadful refereeing during the US-Slovenia match makes me convinced that soccer is rigged. You can save your bandwidth trying to convince me otherwise ... the dude calling the penalty overlooked some of the most laughably obvious defensive fouls in the history of sentient life on this planet, and somehow determines that an unidentified US player did something unspecified to negate the winning goal.

This is beyond a bad call. A bad call is Randy Marsh (defined as rank, stagnant water) behind home plate, game 7, 1992.

The "call" by the corrupt referee in the soccer game was clearly the product of the dude having some "US hate" shit going on. Seriously, does anybody think that he "did not see" Donovan and Bradley getting raped, yet somehow detected a phantom, non-existent penalty?


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Bucfan you could be right, but I have my doubts about NBA playoff games, too. I purposely didn't watch
the first six games of the championship series because I knew it would go seven games.


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Ollie wrote:
Bucfan you could be right, but I have my doubts about NBA playoff games, too. I purposely didn't watch
the first six games of the championship series because I knew it would go seven games.

Good comparison. NBA refs would not embarrass themselves, however, by calling an offensive foul on a player who makes a layup while being put into a choke hold and punched in the face.

That is a fair comparison.

And Tim Donaghy was just shaking his head at the call, saying, "Geez, if I knew I could call shit like that in soccer, I would have switched over years ago."


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And shock of all shocks ... FIFA is expected to announce that the referee was given a "negative evaluation" for his performance on Friday.

Reaaally ...

I believe that the guy should change his name to "Blowncally."


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Bucfan wrote:
Ollie wrote:
Bucfan you could be right, but I have my doubts about NBA playoff games, too. I purposely didn't watch
the first six games of the championship series because I knew it would go seven games.

Good comparison. NBA refs would not embarrass themselves, however, by calling an offensive foul on a player who makes a layup while being put into a choke hold and punched in the face."

Did you not watch the NBA in the 80's?

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Bertie wrote:
BBF wrote:
I quote Bertie on this one-


"Soccer is merely fodder for the unthinking class."


Goodness me BBF, where did you dig that up from?

One has reluctantly had to get involved in all the hype surrounding the World Cup to encourage customers to come and watch the game in the Pub. However, after just one week of it, the saturation coverage on all forms of the media has become wearisome to the point of depression.


I wrote that down long ago Bertie. I believe it was an argument about football (the American version), and how it was more popular in the US than baseball. Somehow the popularity of soccer got worked into the conversation, and that was your response. The quote fit the yinzer Steeler fan population so well, I wrote it down for future use, and in so doing, eventually committed it to memory.

I still quite enjoy the quote. I particularly like the phrase "unthinking class".


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I am flattered. 8-)

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Why are there no 6-1 games in the World Cup any more? I remember a Russian striker scoring five goals in one
game in '90 or '94. We did have Germany's 4-0 win but the majority of games in this World Cup have been very
close.

I am sticking by my finals prediction (Netherlands over Germany.. are they in the same "brackets?") But I just
wonder if the # 100 ranked FIFA club could battle Italy or Spain to a draw right now.

I don't usually root for USA ever but I am enjoying this American side. "My" team in '06 (the Soca Warriors
of Trinidad & Tobago) didn't qualify this time (nor are they likely to again in my lifetime. lol)


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Same reason as football or hockey scores in America Ollie, except that FIFA won't recognize it as a problem.

Too many dominating defenses in the NFL (starting with the Steel Curtain) and the league changes rules, and continues to, to get scoring.

Too much clutch and grab mixed with wonton interference in the NHL... refs and rules change.

Defensive schemes of clubs like Italy become a modern day version of soccer Maginot Line... and FIFA .... says good strategy.

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