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 Post subject: MALKIN...
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:58 pm 
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...does he still play for the Pens? :roll:

so...waiting for the Pens to DO SOMETHING!...and that means you Malkin...how about scoring a goal...maybe even win a game!

They'll need to win tomorrow night or they'll be done. I guess I was expecting more from the "star" players of this Penguin team.

Is it Crosby, Fleury, and Malkin? Or, is it the supporting cast?

Well, we have the Bucs!!!! (nice to say that now!) :D

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It's Bylsma's fault.

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You no what NSMaster56...I'm thinking it's easy to point fingers at whoever for the Pens' problems. But, maybe these others teams, like the Rangers, are just better teams. Coached better...better players (or more players that can get the job done)...etc.

The Pen's have a lot of work ahead of them before they can climb on top of the heap again and win the Stanley Cup.

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Injuries have again taken a huge toll on the Penguins.

And they don't have the young talent like other teams do, because they are always trading draft picks and young players for veteran rental players.

And maybe the one thing has something to do with the other.


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Too much money tied into four guys. You can't win that way in playoff hockey. You have to have balance. True about the injuries too.

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bassoondirector wrote:
it's easy to point fingers at whoever for the Pens' problems. But, maybe these others teams, like the Rangers, are just better teams. Coached better...better players (or more players that can get the job done)...etc.


Absolutely. That was the joke.

Fans have been blaming 'factor X' every year the Pens haven't won the Cup.

While injuries, coaching and talent have been make or break issues, for sure, it's all a collective issue. It's ridiculously hard to win a Stanley Cup. Doing so requires depth, health, precision, will, strategy, favorable matchups, and all sorts of factors that can break in any direction.

What the Pens have been missing over the years hasn't been one thing, it's been a collection of things. Other teams have been better at those things.

The Pens have no one to blame but themselves for their failures. And really, their failures aren't that bad.

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 Post subject: Re: MALKIN...
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I don't think Malkin is healthy.

The defense played well against the Rangers, the offense ejust couldn't create.

This team lost its edge when Jordan Staal left. Having a dominant third line like that was always what put this team over others. Crosby and Malkin have never had elite wingers, other than one season with Hossa. Kennedy-Staal-Cooke routinely changed complexions of games with timely defensive shifts, critical momentum shifting, blue collar, antagonizing shifts, and key offensive performances. There were many games where that line was easily the best on the ice. One of the beat third lines I've ever seen. No offense to Sutter, who is a fine third-line center, he's not Jordan Staal. And the guys they rotate at the wings with him are not Kennedy or Cooke.


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The Pens had a very good series considering. The Rangers are the best team in East and the Pens lost three one goal games including a two OT games. As the No. 8 seed, they didn't embarrass themselves. They lost 4-1 but the series was competitive. I wasn't very disappointed because I wasn't expecting much.

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Too much money tied into four guys. You can't win that way in playoff hockey. You have to have balance. True about the injuries too.

Well, I'll agree with you, if you are saying that the four guys are Scuderi, Kunitz, Dupuis and Lovejoy.

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bucco boy wrote:
Too much money tied into four guys. You can't win that way in playoff hockey. You have to have balance. True about the injuries too.

Well, I'll agree with you, if you are saying that the four guys are Scuderi, Kunitz, Dupuis and Lovejoy.


The 'Core Four' have hamstrung the Pens with the salary cap.

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No, not really. Kunitz, Dupuis, and Scuderi kill the camp. Older, slower, and signed way too long for way too much.

Pens need to buy out Kunitz and Scuderi at least this year.

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bucco boy wrote:
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bucco boy wrote:
Too much money tied into four guys. You can't win that way in playoff hockey. You have to have balance. True about the injuries too.

Well, I'll agree with you, if you are saying that the four guys are Scuderi, Kunitz, Dupuis and Lovejoy.


The 'Core Four' have hamstrung the Pens with the salary cap.

No, overpaid stiffs have hamstrung the Pens with the salary cap. You see, if you pay a guy say $8M, and you get $7M in production, that's way better than paying a guy $3.5M and getting $0 production. Combine that with religiously trading away every draft choice in sight and you're in trouble.

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No, overpaid stiffs have hamstrung the Pens with the salary cap. You see, if you pay a guy say $8M, and you get $7M in production, that's way better than paying a guy $3.5M and getting $0 production. Combine that with religiously trading away every draft choice in sight and you're in trouble.


And part of the reason they have stiffs is because they don't have money to bring Sid a winger or solid defense. They are shopping for bargains most of the time to throw on the first three lines and throw back on the blue line. Kunitz, Scuderi have hurt too, but Letang's contract hurts even more.

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Letang is a Norris-level defenseman. Aside from his inability to manage a PP, he is fabulous.

And not supplying wingers? Huh? I suggest you go look who Sid has had on the wings over the years before you state that. You can start with Guerin.

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ZelieMike wrote:
Letang is a Norris-level defenseman. Aside from his inability to manage a PP, he is fabulous.

And not supplying wingers? Huh? I suggest you go look who Sid has had on the wings over the years before you state that. You can start with Guerin.

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Letang is Paul Coffey II. Talented but awful in his own end. He is a glorified forward.

They have had a plethora of talented centers, but the wings have been blah.

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You keep saying that.

Hossa, blah? Neal, blah? Kuntiz before this year, blah? Dupuis, blah? Horquist, blah?

Letang is much, much more that a glorified forward. His only downsides are his inability to QB a PP, and penchant for boneheaded decisions every once in awhile, which I attribute to his abundant talent and immaturity.

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Hossa I will give you. Neal? That's funny. He put up 37 points not playing next to the best player in hockey. Same thing would happen to Kunitz. These guys put up numbers because of Crosby and Malkin. They are average NHL players at best.

And Letang is a bad defenseman. And I only call him that because he got better.

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Yes, a bad defenseman who was the leading Norris candidate before the concussion.

Your point was that the Pens can't provide wingers for Malkin and Crosby. I give you some, and you say Malkin and Crosby "make" them. Uh huh.

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ZelieMike wrote:
Yes, a bad defenseman who was the leading Norris candidate before the concussion. ZM


Puhlease. You know better. See Paul Coffey. The Norris is like a gold glove.

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Your point was that the Pens can't provide wingers for Malkin and Crosby. I give you some, and you say Malkin and Crosby "make" them. Uh huh.


You gave me one. James Neal is crap. So is Kunitz.

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Neal, he of 30+ goals in Nashville? Kunitz before this year?

If you are calling those guys "crap", you need to brush up on hockey.

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