Proud fans of a 128-year old tradition

It is currently Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:00 pm

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:46 pm
Posts: 5096
Location: Washington, DC
So, well, that sucked. I am upset as a fan that the Steelers just missed out on the playoffs, but I can't throw too much blame at Ryan Succop or the officials. The Steelers blew their season. The Succop thing was just a final kick in the nuts.

As to 2014, here's J_C_Steel's preliminary list of Pittsburgh Steelers free agents, along with my recommendation for letting them go or keeping them (this is just free agents, not guys likely to be released; I'll start or post in another thread to discuss the best ways for the Steelers to manage the 2014 salary cap, which I hope will include extensions for Ben Roethlisberger and Heath Miller and the release of Levi "warmups are dangerous" Brown):

* Jerricho Cotchery (WR) -- Keep -- I'd like to see the Steelers bring him back as a steady, veteran presence at wideout. Ben clearly trusts Cotchery, and he can play. I'd give him a 1-year deal at around $750K-$1M.

* Fernando Velasco (C) -- Keep -- Obviously, this one depends on Velasco's rehabilitation from his Achilles tendon injury. But if he's healthy, a 1-year deal at around $1.5-2M would help the offensive line depth.

* Jason Worilds (OLB) -- Keep, If Possible -- This will be the most difficult call of the off-season, given the complexities in terms of dollars and LaMarr Woodley's future. If the Steelers can find a way to keep him and ditch Woodley, I'd be inclined to do so. Worilds not only excelled as a pass rusher in 2013, he looked solid against the run for the first time in his career. His arrow is pointing up. It'll likely take something in the area of 5 years and $41 million to sign Worilds (those are the terms on Paul Kruger's 2013 deal, in case you're curious).

* Ziggy Hood (DE) -- Keep, If Possible -- Many may not agree, but I thought Hood improved a bit in 2013 and could still improve more. If he's amenable to signing a 3- or 4-year contract at a reasonable rate, he's likely to earn the money.

* Brett Keisel (DE) -- Let Go -- I love the guy, but, at 35 years old, he's the oldest defensive lineman in the NFL. I have a feeling he's going to retire, and he'll go down as one of the best 7th round draft picks in Steelers history.

* Ryan Clark (FS) -- Let Go -- I'm not a huge fan of the mouth on this guy, but more importantly, he plays 1970s football in a 2010s world. His big hits are no longer the positive, intimidating force that they were as recently as the 2008 season. Time for Mr. Clark to move on over to the Worldwide Leader.

* Emmanuel Sanders (FS) -- Let Go -- I know he's shifty and he gets open, but when's the last time you saw this guy make a clutch catch in the fourth quarter? He's a poor man's Antonio Brown, and his salary will be far too close to Brown's for my liking. Good luck with your next team, Emmanuel.

* LaRod Stephens-Howling (RB/KR/PR) -- Keep -- I liked the cut of his jib before he blew out his knee. As with Velasco, if he's healthy the Steelers should bring him back on a 1-year veteran contract. He signed for $780K in 2013, and coming off an injury, I'm thinking he'll take a bit south of that for the 2014 campaign. He could share third-down duties with Mr. Bell.

* Greg Warren (LS) -- Keep -- He's a good long snapper who'll play for the league minimum. Done.

* Felix Jones (RB/KR) -- Let Go -- He was fine as a third running back, but he's no more than that. Gone.

* Jonathan Dwyer (RB) -- Keep, If Possible -- Would Dwyer come back as the #2 running back and short-yardage specialist on a modest 2- or 3-year deal? If so, bring him on back.

* Al Woods (NT/DT) -- Keep -- He's a good depth guy, but not so good to attract a lot of attention on the market. I could see him back on the team on a 1- or 2-year deal at slightly above the veteran minimum.

* Will Allen (FS) -- Keep -- Another solid depth guy and, believe it or not, a candidate to start at free safety in 2014. I think the Steelers keep him on a 1- or 2-year deal. Mike Tomlin loves this guy.

* Cody Wallace (C/G) -- Keep -- He acquitted himself well late in the season, and he's another good depth guy. A 1-year deal at the minimum seems likely.

* Guy Whimper (T/G) -- Let Go -- Nope.

* David Johnson (TE) -- Keep -- Heath Miller and Matt Spaeth will be the Steelers' top two tight ends in 2014, but Johnson is decent and fairly versatile. I could see him being retained on a 1-year deal for the veteran minimum as the third tight end.

* Plaxico Burress (WR) -- Let Go -- I wish he would've been healthy for 2013, but alas. I believe his days in Pittsburgh (and probably the NFL) are over.

* Matt McBriar (P) -- Let Go -- I really don't care. If the Steelers can do better at punter for the veteran minimum, or as a 7th round draft pick, fine. If not, bring him back.

* Stevenson Sylvester (ILB) -- Let Go -- This guy never really showed anything. Gone.

* Kion Wilson (LB) -- Keep -- At the minimum salary, he's a decent depth option.

There you have it. I'd like the Steelers to retain 12 of these guys. That may be a bit optimistic, but you never know.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:29 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:21 am
Posts: 5632
You pretty much nailed it except for LSH and Dwyer.

They're fungible assets.

Also, the Steelers need to restructure (re-sign) Troy. He is not worth his cap hit, but nobody wants to see him in another jersey.

_________________
Rage, rage against the regression of the light.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 WWW  YIM  Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:24 pm
Posts: 4235
Location: Zelienople, PA
Kion Wilson has/was released mutliple times this year. I think you might be talking about Vince Williams, and the other LB who knocked out the Cincy punter.

ZM

_________________
Someone tell Votto... rbis are good


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:46 pm
Posts: 5096
Location: Washington, DC
ZelieMike wrote:
Kion Wilson has/was released mutliple times this year. I think you might be talking about Vince Williams, and the other LB who knocked out the Cincy punter.

ZM


Vince Williams was a rookie in 2013 who is under contract for 2014. This thread is about free agents only.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:43 am 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:54 pm
Posts: 6208
Location: Keystone State
J_C_Steel wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
Kion Wilson has/was released mutliple times this year. I think you might be talking about Vince Williams, and the other LB who knocked out the Cincy punter.

ZM


Vince Williams was a rookie in 2013 who is under contract for 2014. This thread is about free agents only.


Williams was drafted so they have control of him for at least three more seasons.

_________________
The Bucs are going all the way, all the way this year!


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:50 am 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:44 pm
Posts: 10718
Ziggy Hood is not worth the money it would take to keep him here. He is a traditional 1-gap DT for a 4-3 defense. He is not a NT or a DE. He just does not have the skills, IMO, to merit paying him $3 million per year to stay on as a part-time player.

Look, Kiesel is a risk. I get that. His injury history is not appealing. However, Kiesel for 1-year beats a mediocre Hood for 3, at far more money.

The Steelers also just don't have the cap space to keep both Velasco and Wallace. Achilles injuries are just nasty for big guys like Velasco. I go with Wallace.

Clark and Sanders are gone. Combination of $$ and performance mandates they look elsewhere. (Which calls to mind why the hell the Steelers did not let Sanders go to the Patsies and get a 3rd this draft.)

Criticism of the Steelers roster decisions have merit, where the team spent its 2014 3rd rounder to get a 4th rounder in a weaker draft, and the decision to pay Sanders a bunch of money to be a mediocre #4 receiver this year.

If they take the 3rd round comp pick and don't trade away a No. 3 in a deep talent draft, they enter this draft with 4 of the first 100 selections.

Instead, they have 2 of the first 115.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 5:34 pm
Posts: 920
Location: Rochester, New York
Ziggy played well at the end of the year and I'd like to see him back unless there's a decent 3-4 guy on the FA market. Keisel would be valuable at the vet. min. but not much else.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:27 pm
Posts: 2148
I don't see why everyone thinks Sanders will get a big contract. This year he proved he's not worth that kind of money. Cotchery had a better year as the 3rd option. That said, Sanders is a decent WR and younger. I'd like to bring back Cotchery, but he'll be 32. Let him go.

Stephens-Howling is gone. Felix Jones has a better chance of returning, honestly. Dwyer should return as well. There's no way he'll demand too much money.

Keisel is gone. So is Hood. Cameron Heyward is the new face of DL.

The Steelers surprisingly could have a bit of cap space to work with if a few moves are made. I'm talking as much as $25 million freed up.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:12 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:21 am
Posts: 5632
RTJR wrote:
The Steelers surprisingly could have a bit of cap space to work with if a few moves are made. I'm talking as much as $25 million freed up.


I'll just assume that in this case 'a few moves' would include cutting Troy and Heath?

_________________
Rage, rage against the regression of the light.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 5:34 pm
Posts: 920
Location: Rochester, New York
NSMaster56 wrote:
RTJR wrote:
The Steelers surprisingly could have a bit of cap space to work with if a few moves are made. I'm talking as much as $25 million freed up.


I'll just assume that in this case 'a few moves' would include cutting Troy and Heath?


Probably Ike as well.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 2245
Location: Naples, FL
I doubt Ziggy is back. Reasonable in my mind is no more than $2 mil per year.

_________________
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: 2014 -- Steelers' Free Agents Keep / Let Go
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:30 pm
Posts: 2245
Location: Naples, FL
And I'd compare Sanders to a homeless meth addict's Antonio Brown. I don't really care that he's "never made a clutch catch in the fourth quarter", I care that he sucks in the first, second and third quarters as well.

_________________
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group  
Design By Poker Bandits