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 Post subject: Re: April 17, 2015 Brewers (2-7) at Pirates (3-6)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:25 am 
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The best player hitting 3rd is a just because thing. What's the big deal if Cutch hits cleanup?

If that's the case, what's the big deal if he hits eighth?


So, if I'm tracking this right, your argument is that anyone who feels that there is no big deal between batting McCutchen 3rd or 4th should also feel that there is no big deal if McCutchen bats 3rd or 8th?

I think that is what they refer to as The Strawman Fallacy in logic.

No, my argument is that it matters where a guy bats.

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 Post subject: Re: April 17, 2015 Brewers (2-7) at Pirates (3-6)
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...between 3rd and 4th. Your point is either that it matters whether you bat 3rd or 4th OR you're still clinging to a syntax argument no one is actually making just because you like to argue.

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 Post subject: Re: April 17, 2015 Brewers (2-7) at Pirates (3-6)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:11 pm 
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From what I understand, the difference in plate appearances over an entire season between the 3 and 4 hitters is about 15-20. On average, about one every 10 games. So, does it matter? In the overall scheme of things, sure. Cutch hit a HR every 26 plate appearances last year. So . . . on average . . . he might hit one more HR over the course of the season. He got a hit every 3.75 ABs. So . . . on average . . . he might get another 4-6 hits over the course of the season.

The difference in number of plate appearances between a #3 and a #8 is about 80. That's an extra plate appearance every other game.

Massive difference. And, I don't see anyone advocating that there is no difference between the #3 and the #8. I only read "what's the big deal" with Cutch hitting 3rd or 4th. I also happen to agree with that.

In hindsight, the lineup construction that day allowed for Cutch to come up with runners on base in 3 of his 4 ABs. Twice with RISP. The only time that he didn't come up with runners on, he doubled. Cutch certainly had plenty of opportunity to be a run creator.

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 Post subject: Re: April 17, 2015 Brewers (2-7) at Pirates (3-6)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:47 pm 
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From what I understand, the difference in plate appearances over an entire season between the 3 and 4 hitters is about 15-20. On average, about one every 10 games. So, does it matter? In the overall scheme of things, sure. Cutch hit a HR every 26 plate appearances last year. So . . . on average . . . he might hit one more HR over the course of the season. He got a hit every 3.75 ABs. So . . . on average . . . he might get another 4-6 hits over the course of the season.

The difference in number of plate appearances between a #3 and a #8 is about 80. That's an extra plate appearance every other game.

Massive difference. And, I don't see anyone advocating that there is no difference between the #3 and the #8. I only read "what's the big deal" with Cutch hitting 3rd or 4th. I also happen to agree with that.

In hindsight, the lineup construction that day allowed for Cutch to come up with runners on base in 3 of his 4 ABs. Twice with RISP. The only time that he didn't come up with runners on, he doubled. Cutch certainly had plenty of opportunity to be a run creator.


Yeah, it certainly paid off.

Cutch is so talented that he'll succeed no matter where he is in the order.

Curious if they'll try and 'groom' GP as a 3-hole hitter though. He certainly has the tools, J-Hay seems locked into leadoff and Cervelli has been getting enough opportunities in the 2-spot.

In the past there was discussion here about putting Cutch second, ala Joey Votto. That would be interesting, too.

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