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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:40 am 
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So the Pirates were "aggressive" and "swinging at the first pitch" this series ...

Resulting in 0 walks and consecutive shutouts.

Last year, the Pirates worked starting pitchers to 100 pitches in 6 IP or less seemingly every day. The drove the starters out, even without ringing up a large number of runs, and then feasted on weak-ass middle relief.

The present tactic of "attack, attack, ATTACK" is not working, and I suggest 100% opposite of what worked last year. Calm the @#%@ down and work the count, please.


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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:25 am 
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TheTimeIsNow wrote:
Clevelandsux wrote:
Pirates can never hit great pitching.


Shane Greene and Alfredo Simon are not 'great' pitchers.

True, but Greene was pretty good in his debut last year, and his first game this season was pretty much identical to what he did to the Pirates. Looks to me that he's an average pitcher who is on the very top of his game right now.

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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:28 am 
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Clevelandsux wrote:
I gave polanco a pass last season because he was a rookie. But he really needs to start producing. Our offense the past two nights has put me to sleep. Once again we expect cutch to bail us out every night. We've been shutout 3 times already in this young season.

It's been nine games. Patience.

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We had issues last season scoring runs. Nothing has changed. Two wasted efforts by Burnett and liriano in consecutive nights. I think we left our bats in Bradenton.

The Pirates were fourth in the National League at scoring runs last year. Whatever troubles they may have had, scoring runs was not one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:05 pm 
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Pirates muster only 2 hits in 2nd consecutive shutout loss to Tigers

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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:21 pm 
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Bucfan wrote:
So the Pirates were "aggressive" and "swinging at the first pitch" this series ...

Resulting in 0 walks and consecutive shutouts.

Last year, the Pirates worked starting pitchers to 100 pitches in 6 IP or less seemingly every day. The drove the starters out, even without ringing up a large number of runs, and then feasted on weak-ass middle relief.

The present tactic of "attack, attack, ATTACK" is not working, and I suggest 100% opposite of what worked last year. Calm the @#%@ down and work the count, please.


Bucfan -

Here's a breakdown by hitter and result:

1. Harrison: Took 3 before swinging (out); Took 4 before swinging (out); Swung at first pitch (out); Took 3 before swinging (out) - saw 16 pitches in 4 ABs
2. Polanco: Took 1 pitch (out); Took 3 (out); Took 2 (out); Took 1 (out) - saw 16 pitches in 4 ABs
3. Cutch: Hit by first pitch; Swung at first pitch (foul); then got a single; Swung at first pitch (out) - saw 9 pitches in 3 ABs
4. Walker: Took 1 pitch (out); Took 4 pitches (single); Took 1 pitch (out) - saw 9 pitches in 3 ABs
5. Marte: Swung at 1st pitch (out); Swung at 1st pitch (out); Took 3 pitches (out) - saw 8 pitches in 3 ABs
6. Alvarez: Took 3 pitches (out); Took 2 pitches (out); Took 3 pitches (out) - saw 15 pitches in 3 ABs
7. Cervelli: Swung at 1st pitch (out); Took 1 (out); Took 1 (out) - saw 10 pitches in 3 ABs
8. Mercer: Took 2 (out); Took 4 (out); Swung at 1st pitch (out) - saw 13 pitches in 3 ABs
9. Liriano: Took 2 (out); Lambo Took 4 (out); Hart Took 1 (out)

Swinging at first pitch: 7 of 29 hitters. 5 made outs on first pitch. 2 fouled balls off. Of those two, Cutch eventually singled; Mercer K'd
Taking 1 pitch before swinging: 7 of 29 hitters. All resulted in outs.
Taking 2 pitches before swinging: 4 of 29 hitters. All resulted in outs.
Taking 3 pitches before swinging: 6 of 29 hitters. All resulted in outs.
Taking 4 pitches before swinging: 4 of 29 hitters. Walker singled; the remaining 3 made outs.

14 hitters swung at one of the first two pitches.
14 hitters took at least two pitches before swinging.
Cutch was HBP on first pitch in first inning.

Certainly demonstrates a some aggressive tendencies but the results were the same by the folks who swung early and the folks who swung later.

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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:29 pm 
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They are missing a bit right now, sure. But, that I find that wholly normal for 'Cutch and Marte this time of year. They are warm weather guys, as is Polanco. I do think Greene got lucky with the mobile K-zone and a lot of hard hit balls right at people. I've seen the Bucs get close to breakouts this year, with some bad luck (or great plays if you're the other guy).

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 Post subject: Re: April 15, 2015 Tigers (7-1) at Pirates (3-5)
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Apologies. I had no idea the Harry Doyle quote would be so effing accurate for last night's game...


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