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Pick one pitcher to solidfy the rotation
Jon Garland 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Jason Jennings 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Mark Mulder 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
Carl Pavano 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
Brad Penny 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Sidney Ponson 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Mark Prior 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 14
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 Post subject: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:28 pm 
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Neal said he would like to get one pitcher. I am sure the Pirates won't spend the money to get any of these guys but I think they are all intriguing in their own way. So vote and explain why you voted. Let's just say they are all going to get $8 million a year on average even though some will get more and some might get less.

Jon Garland
Jason Jennings
Mark Mulder
Carl Pavano
Brad Penny
Sidney Ponson
Mark Prior

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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:47 pm 
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Boy, what a rogues gallery. I see three that immediately get removed from my list: Pavano, Ponson, and Prior. Penny and Mulder are coming off of injuries so I'll dump them as well.

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Garland it is!


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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
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yup garland it is

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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:06 pm 
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There is no "none of the above"?

If those are my options, I'd rather plow the money back into other parts of the franchise.


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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:31 pm 
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I would take Brad Penny over Jon Garland because he's more of a strikeout pitcher but his injury history is too much for me and this season, he only tallied 94 innings so Garland it is.

Pirates need a #1 (C.C. Sabathia - 5 years $90 million) and #2 (Jon Garland - 3 years $27 million)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:52 am 
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Garland from that list, although he will be the most expensive option there.

How about Freddy Garcia, Braden Looper, Livan Hernandez, or Paul Byrd? What the heck- sign a couple!


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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:01 am 
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Eric Bowser wrote:

Pirates need a #1 (C.C. Sabathia - 5 years $90 million) and #2 (Jon Garland - 3 years $27 million)


Wow, people are really underestimating the cost of good pitching. I don't see Sabathia getting anything less than $20 mil a year, probably 6 years. Garland? Well if Carlos Silva can get more than $10 mil a year, Garland will as well, even with the economic downturn.

But who knows, maybe this will be one of the years where teams spend conservatively and drive prices down.


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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
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For sheer entertainment value alone, it's gotta be Sid "Sir Osis of Liver" Ponson.

Plus, they could spice up the pierogie races by feeding the loser to him.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:27 pm 
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Penny would be best...I voted for Mulder cause I can see the pirates going out and getting a guy like Mark Mulder.

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bucco boy wrote:
Neal said he would like to get one pitcher. I am sure the Pirates won't spend the money to get any of these guys but I think they are all intriguing in their own way. So vote and explain why you voted. Let's just say they are all going to get $8 million a year on average even though some will get more and some might get less.

Jon Garland
Jason Jennings
Mark Mulder
Carl Pavano
Brad Penny
Sidney Ponson
Mark Prior

I'd use the money to hire a few more scouts or something.

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Eric Bowser wrote:
I would take Brad Penny over Jon Garland because he's more of a strikeout pitcher but his injury history is too much for me and this season, he only tallied 94 innings so Garland it is.

Pirates need a #1 (C.C. Sabathia - 5 years $90 million) and #2 (Jon Garland - 3 years $27 million)

The Pirates would need both, plus maybe Tom Seaver and a time machine, before they could think about contending this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
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I know there is little or no chance of it happening because of no trade clauses and lack of depth in the minors...but

San Diego has been listening to offers for Peavy...

What would you think the Pirates could give to get Peavy?

I figured its atleast 3 or 4 players, one of them being Nate, and probably some prospects but short of McCutchen and Alvarez, they're super thin...

but what else would you give up to bring him in?

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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:35 pm 
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Sisy's last post raises an important question in your decision-making process. What, exactly, is the purpose of bringing in one of these pitchers? To make us competitive right now? To add stability to a young staff, while making us marginally competitive? To carry us through a couple of years until we possibly could contend?

IMO, most of these guys are Matt Morris part deux. Anyone we bring in had better be able to produce on the field, not be a shot in the dark, lightning in a bottle, consumate professional inning-eater.

Neal says he wants to bring someone in, but he does not stray from his standing rhetoric about building something sustainable. Mix in the fact that no FA pitcher who has anything left will come here without way overpaying, and you have to wonder if such a move is possible.

Having said that, I will go with Ponson, bring back Randall Simon, so he can catch and kill the perogies first and sign Sanguillen as bullpen coach so he can sneak out to his grill and have them ready for Ponson by the middle of the 3rd inning, when he gets taken out.


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bradf wrote:
Having said that, I will go with Ponson, bring back Randall Simon, so he can catch and kill the perogies first and sign Sanguillen as bullpen coach so he can sneak out to his grill and have them ready for Ponson by the middle of the 3rd inning, when he gets taken out.


See, bradf, NOW you're talking sense.

Duh-MEAT-ri Young needs to fit into this plan somehow, too.

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bradf wrote:
Having said that, I will go with Ponson, bring back Randall Simon, so he can catch and kill the perogies first and sign Sanguillen as bullpen coach so he can sneak out to his grill and have them ready for Ponson by the middle of the 3rd inning, when he gets taken out.



There you go again, Brad, taking a completely serious topic and making it into a farce. C'mon man, we all know there's know way Ponson makes it to the 3rd inning!


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BBF wrote:
bradf wrote:
Having said that, I will go with Ponson, bring back Randall Simon, so he can catch and kill the perogies first and sign Sanguillen as bullpen coach so he can sneak out to his grill and have them ready for Ponson by the middle of the 3rd inning, when he gets taken out.



There you go again, Brad, taking a completely serious topic and making it into a farce. C'mon man, we all know there's know way Ponson makes it to the 3rd inning!


:lol:



I say if he signs with the Pirates, all the members of the board pitch in and buy him a Pirates hat with the beer can holders on the side with the straw...

He could damn nasty come the 3rd inning, batters might be afraid to come to the plate...


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 Post subject: Re: Choose one FA starting pitcher to round out this staff
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Dang why has no one voted for mark prior?

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Ryann wrote:
Dang why has no one voted for mark prior?

Because his arm is currently hanging on the wall above Dusty Baker's fireplace?

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LtCol Kojak Slaphead wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Dang why has no one voted for mark prior?

Because his arm is currently hanging on the wall above Dusty Baker's fireplace?


Along with the ligaments of Kerry Wood's elbow and shoulder in a jar on the mantle...

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