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 Post subject: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:14 pm 
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I know the people on this board agree that the Pirates front office is the cause of their recent troubles. But I still get arguments from people every now and then who say "the Pirates can't win until baseball gets a salary cap." And then they say my favorite...."teams like the Rays are the exception not the rule."


AAARRRGGGG

I need to vent here. I tend to come in here every year and make my case that baseball is in great shape as a whole, and franchises like the Pirates need to get with the times. Some stats that I have researched...

* 10 different teams have won the last 11 NL Pennants (wow! I guess 2/3 of the NL can be called "Big market")
* 7 different teams have won the last 9 AL Pennants.
* 21 teams have participated in an LCS since the start of 2001.
* 17 different teams have held the 24 playoff spots over the last 3 years including teams from the bottom third of that year's payroll every year.
* While 2008 was a little more tilted towards the big spenders than previous years, the teams with the top 3 payrolls in the league missed the playoffs; while the team with the second lowest payroll is playing in the World Series against the team with the 13th biggest.

I understand that the tv ratings will be low this year. I say "so what." This is what is good for baseball. I'll never understand why middle America is only interested if the Yankees, Cubs, Mets, Red Sox or Dodgers are in it. I watch the Series (at least a few games---as long as it isn't up against the Penguins) no matter who it is.

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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:10 pm 
Competitive balance or not, I simply can't root for Philadelphia in anything. Ever.


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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Elmer wrote:
Competitive balance or not, I simply can't root for Philadelphia in anything. Ever.


I don't like Philly teams either. I do however have to admit that the the best third baseman and best left handed starter I ever saw played for the Phillies.


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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Argentum wrote:
Elmer wrote:
Competitive balance or not, I simply can't root for Philadelphia in anything. Ever.


I don't like Philly teams either. I do however have to admit that the the best third baseman and best left handed starter I ever saw played for the Phillies.


Terry Mullholland and Charlie Hayes?

Oh thats the best third baseman and best lefthanded starter from Philly that played for the Pirates...

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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Good one! Completely forgot about Charlie Hayes........


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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Elmer wrote:
Competitive balance or not, I simply can't root for Philadelphia in anything. Ever.



I hate the 'iladelph, but I kind of like the Phillies. I had a blast when I went to Citizens Bank park.

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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Argentum wrote:
I don't like Philly teams either. I do however have to admit that the the best third baseman and best left handed starter I ever saw played for the Phillies.


You have a very high opinion of Pedro Feliz and Jamie Moyer. (Kidding ... kidding.)

Edit: Argentum - were you watching baseball in 1972, when Steve Carlton won 27 games for a Phillies team that won a total of 59 games?


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What a slider he had.


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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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Bucfan wrote:
Edit: Argentum - were you watching baseball in 1972, when Steve Carlton won 27 games for a Phillies team that won a total of 59 games?


No, I was only five years old at the time. Your post got the best of my curiosity so I went back and checked that team expecting to see a bunch of scrubs. Man was I way off base. Talk about a young team loaded with talent. Consider:

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Don Money 25
Greg Luzinski 21
Larry Bowa 26
Willie Montanez 24
Oscar Gamble 22
Bob Boone 24
Mike Schmidt 22

Too bad their pitching never really had the same infusion of talent.


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I used to love Willie Montanez. He had quite a style of catching popups.


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Az Bucco fan wrote:
I used to love Willie Montanez. He had quite a style of catching popups.


There was a rumor at some point in the early 1070's that had Willie Stargell going to the Phillies for Willie Montanez.

Good that the Pirates never made that deal.


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Bucfan wrote:
There was a rumor at some point in the early 1070's that had Willie Stargell going to the Phillies for Willie Montanez.

Good that the Pirates never made that deal.


Yeah, that would have really hurt our chances to keep the Saxons and Norman's at bay! :lol:

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Yes, the Battle of Hastings four years earlier left us depleted at first base!


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doug frobel wrote:
Yes, the Battle of Hastings four years earlier left us depleted at first base!

One eye and all, King Harold could probably still hit better in April than Adam LaRoche.

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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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What irks me is that 100 years War that messed up the starting rotation...

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 Post subject: Re: Let the competitive balance argument begin again...
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ZelieMike wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
There was a rumor at some point in the early 1070's that had Willie Stargell going to the Phillies for Willie Montanez.

Good that the Pirates never made that deal.


Yeah, that would have really hurt our chances to keep the Saxons and Norman's at bay! :lol:

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Okay, I have to give you that one. I am certainly not going to edit the post now. It is better this way, I think.

P.S. You guys are just piling on now. You are SOOOOO LUCKY THAT I CAN TAKE IT.

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