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 Post subject: New Pitching Coach
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:25 pm 
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Joe Kerrigan. Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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Bob Walk?

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:55 pm 
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Bertie wrote:
Bob Walk?


No. Joe Kerrigan.

Sorry, should have provided a link.

http://postgazette.com/pg/08294/921375-100.stm


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:57 pm 
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All I know is that Mazzone is sitting at home watching TV, and he's the only guy around who was able to keep Jeff Hampton healthy for more than 2 weeks.

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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ZelieMike wrote:
All I know is that Mazzone is sitting at home watching TV, and he's the only guy around who was able to keep Jeff Hampton healthy for more than 2 weeks.

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Not only him, but his more famous brother Mike Hampton. :P

Mazzone had unbelievable talent to work with in Atlanta. And if injuries are something you judge pitching coaches for then you have to also include that Smoltz got hurt on his watch. I personally think he is overated, but who knows. I know he didn't do much with the Baltimore staff, aside from the guys that were already pretty good(Bedard).

Kerrigan seems like an okay choice to me. And ZM, maybe you have a point. Keeping our guys healthy seems to be half the battle so hopefully he will have a regiment that does that. At any rate it's a fresh voice, and I think that will be good for these guys.


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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One thing that Kerrigan has going for him is that he was able to control (to some extent) and develop a young, hot-headed but highly talented pitcher in Pedro Martinez. Perhaps he can apply those lessons to one Ian Snell.


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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BBF wrote:
Joe Kerrigan. Thoughts?


Didn't he get hit in the knee with a crowbar before the 94 Olympics?

I like that he has some ties to Karstens and Olendorf from his time with the Yankees, he probably got to see alot of them in spring training and in games...

Might be a nice familiar face for these guys, someone who has been around them...

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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Might be a nice familiar face for these guys, someone who has been around them...


You mean like most of our starting staff last year and jeff andrews?

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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Mazzone obviously had his core of great pitchers, but he also was famous for salvaging guys who had been hurt, including the Hampton brothers :D and reviving Neagle after injury, among others who somehow had career years with him.

He was only at Baltimore for a year, and by all accounts it took 1/2 of that for the staff to accept his methods.

I suspect Kerrigan is a competant guy who's philophies match NH, but I am a big believer in what Mazzone did.

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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ZelieMike wrote:
Mazzone obviously had his core of great pitchers, but he also was famous for salvaging guys who had been hurt, including the Hampton brothers :D and reviving Neagle after injury, among others who somehow had career years with him.

I have the feeling that Neagle benefitted a lot more from leaving Coors field than he did from Mazzone's coaching, but Mazzone definitely has an impressive track record.

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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sisyphus wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
Mazzone obviously had his core of great pitchers, but he also was famous for salvaging guys who had been hurt, including the Hampton brothers :D and reviving Neagle after injury, among others who somehow had career years with him.

I have the feeling that Neagle benefitted a lot more from leaving Coors field than he did from Mazzone's coaching, but Mazzone definitely has an impressive track record.

Neagle pitched for the Braves before he pitched for the Rockies. Are you thinking of Hampton?

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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Then came back again after injury.

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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jleisele58 wrote:
nad69dan wrote:
Might be a nice familiar face for these guys, someone who has been around them...


You mean like most of our starting staff last year and jeff andrews?


The difference this time is he has had experience and success in the Majors

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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:48 am 
I love the hire. You get a guy with some proven major league success, and a guy who is from outside the organization. I never liked the Andrews hire. Despite talk of changing the "culture of losing" and all of that, Andrews was hired from within so, albeit in a small way, he was still part of the organization that had this culture of losing.

This is a very good hire by NH!


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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nad69dan wrote:
BBF wrote:
Joe Kerrigan.


Didn't he get hit in the knee with a crowbar before the 94 Olympics?


Joe Kerrigan, awakening after a drinking game to learn he has signed on to be the Pitching Coach of the Pittsburgh Pirates:

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WHY ME?? WHY ME?!?!?!?!?!


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 Post subject: Re: New Pitching Coach
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donburgh wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
Mazzone obviously had his core of great pitchers, but he also was famous for salvaging guys who had been hurt, including the Hampton brothers :D and reviving Neagle after injury, among others who somehow had career years with him.

I have the feeling that Neagle benefitted a lot more from leaving Coors field than he did from Mazzone's coaching, but Mazzone definitely has an impressive track record.

Neagle pitched for the Braves before he pitched for the Rockies. Are you thinking of Hampton?

Duh. Er. My stupid.

How the heck did I manage to mix those two up? :oops:

I know. They're both in my "decent pitchers who sucked in Colorado" file", and that's a mighty large file. :P

Looking at his career (something I should have done before my last post) I was mildly surprised to find that Neagle's performance for Mazzone in 1997-98 was virtually interchangeable with his performance for the Pirates in 1995-96.

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