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 Post subject: Coaching openings
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:45 am 
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With Andrews and Frazier gone...what possible coaches are out there?

The Post-Gazette mentioned John Farrell as a possible pitching coach...
Two names that popped in my head were a chance for Bob Walk, but the team seems interested in someone with experience and Leo Mazzone, (and I'm sure everyone knows his track record.)

As for the coaching vacancy on the bench, a name that popped in was John Wehner...

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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nad69dan wrote:
With Andrews and Frazier gone...what possible coaches are out there?

The Post-Gazette mentioned John Farrell as a possible pitching coach...
Two names that popped in my head were a chance for Bob Walk, but the team seems interested in someone with experience and Leo Mazzone, (and I'm sure everyone knows his track record.)

As for the coaching vacancy on the bench, a name that popped in was John Wehner...



Leo would be a great hire.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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nad69dan wrote:
With Andrews and Frazier gone...what possible coaches are out there?

The Post-Gazette mentioned John Farrell as a possible pitching coach...
Two names that popped in my head were a chance for Bob Walk, but the team seems interested in someone with experience and Leo Mazzone, (and I'm sure everyone knows his track record.)

As for the coaching vacancy on the bench, a name that popped in was John Wehner...


I would LOVE for Wehner to get the job so as to get him out of the booth!! :D

I am not sure why John Farrell would be mentioned by the PG considering he didn't even want the manager job. Even with his son in the organization, I would assume it would be difficult to pry him away from Boston.

I believe there was a full debate on this board to why Leo Mazzone would NOT be a good fit for the Pirates, maybe someone could give us a small summary to that argument(outside of the fact that he is expensive).

As far as Bob Walk goes, I am not sure he is interested, I belive it would be an interesting choice, considering he doesn't have any experience running a staff at any level.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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One of the best pitching coaches of the last decade wouldn't be a good fit for the Pirates?



There's always Rick Peterson.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Apparently he wasn't too good of a fit over in B'more.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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One of the best pitching coaches of the last decade wouldn't be a good fit for the Pirates?


If Mazzone could somehow manage to get the Pirate pitchers the same strike zone as Smoltz, Glavine, Avery, Maddux et al., then he would be a great fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Found this little quote

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In his book The Baseball Economist, J.C. Bradbury titles a chapter, "How Good is Leo Mazzone?" Using statistical analysis, he analyzes whether Mazzone had a significant impact upon the pitchers that he coached. The sample is all pitchers who have pitched at least one year under Mazzone and one year under a different pitching coach. Bradbury found that Mazzone lowered the ERA of pitchers by an average of .64 points, and that after leaving Mazzone, pitchers' ERA increased by an average of .78 points. Bradbury believes that such an impact is deserving of Hall of Fame consideration.


Should peak the interest of the "stats" guys


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Piratefan13 wrote:
Found this little quote

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In his book The Baseball Economist, J.C. Bradbury titles a chapter, "How Good is Leo Mazzone?" Using statistical analysis, he analyzes whether Mazzone had a significant impact upon the pitchers that he coached. The sample is all pitchers who have pitched at least one year under Mazzone and one year under a different pitching coach. Bradbury found that Mazzone lowered the ERA of pitchers by an average of .64 points, and that after leaving Mazzone, pitchers' ERA increased by an average of .78 points. Bradbury believes that such an impact is deserving of Hall of Fame consideration.


Should peak the interest of the "stats" guys



Fascinating.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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If the Pirates can actually get Mazzone, that's swell, but seriously doubt it would happen. I would prefer going after someone that we have a realistic chance at seeing in black and gold, and that's probably someone who hasn't had a major league job yet.

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Piratefan13 wrote:
Found this little quote

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In his book The Baseball Economist, J.C. Bradbury titles a chapter, "How Good is Leo Mazzone?" Using statistical analysis, he analyzes whether Mazzone had a significant impact upon the pitchers that he coached. The sample is all pitchers who have pitched at least one year under Mazzone and one year under a different pitching coach. Bradbury found that Mazzone lowered the ERA of pitchers by an average of .64 points, and that after leaving Mazzone, pitchers' ERA increased by an average of .78 points. Bradbury believes that such an impact is deserving of Hall of Fame consideration.


Should peak the interest of the "stats" guys

Considering that Mazzone coached for the Atlanta Braves for most of his career, I have a feeling that Turner Field has more to do with that than anything else.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Considering that Mazzone coached for the Atlanta Braves for most of his career, I have a feeling that Turner Field has more to do with that than anything else.


Considering also that Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz had quite the expanded strike zone had to help a little also.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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i just can't get that u guys even doubt mazzone..

to me.. it would be a f...ing interesting job to take this pitching group.. you can only win..
it could not get worser then this..

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Mazzone went to Baltimore for chrissakes.

He'd come for money. He's out of work.

But, the PPG reports that it looks like Peterson is of interest. He fits a lot of the bill. Biomechanics, and other forward-looking techniques.

Hey, he got into Ollie's head, and got it as straight as anyone is going to get Ollie's head. He could do wonders with Snell and Gorzo.

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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Peterson has had success at both Oakland and New York. He is an intelligent coach and the son of former Pirate executive Pete Peterson.

Peterson noted the following about pitching in an interview in 2003: "Peterson says he has had no problem with pitchers accepting his program 'when I show them the data from Dr. Andrews' studies that can help them, when they see the evidence that most of their velocity comes from hip rotation, or that 99 percent of shoulder injuries occur during the deceleration phase of pitching, when the ball's out of their hand.'"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... tBody;col1

The article is pretty interesting and notes that the A's pitchers performed very well during Peterson's tenure:

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Year    W-L     Pct.   ERA      ShO    Svs    SO      BB

1998   74-88    .457   4.81      4     39     922    529
1999   87-75    .537   4.69      5     48     967    569
2000   91-70    .565   4.58     11     43     963    615
2001   102-60   .630   3.59      9     44   1,117    440
2002   103-59   .636   3.68     19     48   1,021    474


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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I would then have to select Peterson myself because he fits in with what NH is trying to establish in the Pirates organization.

Who was the 1st base coach from the Marlins that they couldn't get last time around?


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Piratefan13 wrote:
I would then have to select Peterson myself because he fits in with what NH is trying to establish in the Pirates organization.

Who was the 1st base coach from the Marlins that they couldn't get last time around?


Perry Hill, I believe. Well respected infield instructor, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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Hey, just keep reminding yourself....a couple of years ago, the Pirates would have hired Benny Hill and Scott Peterson.


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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LOL


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bradf wrote:
Hey, just keep reminding yourself....a couple of years ago, the Pirates would have hired Benny Hill and Scott Peterson.


And it would have been an IMPROVEMENT over Tracy and Colburn!!


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 Post subject: Re: Coaching openings
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I was kinda hoping for Tim Conway and Don Knotts


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