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 Post subject: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:21 am 
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I don't want to be negative, but here are the reasons I feel that we will be losers for at least one more year.

1. The influx of youth from the trades will take more time to develop
2. The need for more stockpiling of talent will cause more trades of veteran guys(Wilson).
3. Complete mystery surrounding the pitching staff
4. McCutchen may need the first half of next year in AAA to solidify his spot in the "bigs"
5. Tabata, Morris, Alvarez, and Walker are not ready yet.
6. The Pirates aren't going to waste money trying to purchase high priced talent, more will be dumped into international scouting and development.


I know you guys will go nuts over the inclination of the Pirates "not trying to win," but I think its more of "staying focused on the plan."

DL and CB both had plans to dig the Pirates out of obscurity, but each panicked and dumped money in the wrong places and abondoned their plans. I don't feel that the front office will deviate from the plan, as painful as it may be.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:05 pm 
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Thats exactly how 2009 will be, and i prefer it that way, if that means better times will be ahead..

With that thought in mind, 2009 can only be positive if things turn around much earlier..!

and i am wondering what kids as grossman will do.. i still love that guy!!

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:33 pm 
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But, and its a big BUT, if the pitching rebounds to the level it regressed this past year, it won't be so bad.

Good pitching, if you are getting it, combined with an offense that does score some runs, may get you a competative team. Competative in that you are not being wiped out in 4-innings every day and your starter is giving you a chance to win most nights, even if you can't.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:46 pm 
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Right now the prospects for 2009 look bleak, but who knows? The key as always is starting pitching. Hopefully we can find more than one guy who can throw a baseball and actually have a clue where it's going.

Certainly the shuffling of the roster will continue, so we really don't even know which players will be on the field next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:29 pm 
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I'm curious to see how the pitching situation shakes out for next season...I'd like to see what Dumtrait can do for a full season, if he can stay healthy...

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:36 pm 
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The pitching is going to remain bad. The fact is that there are only 2, maybe 3, guys in the rotation who can handle being starters at the ML level.


What's needed is an influx of talent.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:36 pm 
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Certainly we need to continue to bring in more talent, but just as certainly, several of the guys currently in the fold are capable of pitching much better than what they did this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:42 pm 
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I'll do you one better, Jeremy. There is only ONE pitcher who can handle being a starter in the bigs, that being Paul Mahlom. But that's THIS YEAR. The ebb and flow of major league pitching is a funny thing. Don't be surprised if at least one of Snell, Gorzo, or Duke bounces back and has a solid year in 2009.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates could lose 94 for at least one more year
PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:18 am 
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Duke will not be a Pirate in 2009, in my estimation.

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