Proud fans of a 128-year old tradition

It is currently Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:49 am

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:54 pm
Posts: 5753
Location: Keystone State
Not that anybody cares, but they were still in the wild card hunt.

_________________
The Bucs are going all the way, all the way this year!


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:44 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:17 pm
Posts: 519
I certainly care, and it's important for the young guys to finish strong to go into next year with some confidence. Nice to see Andy finally get some hits. Go Bucs!


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:43 pm
Posts: 4711
Location: Omaha, NE via Sioux City, Kansas City, and Chicago
I am one that doesn't really care. I'll be honest, I'm not even excited for next season. If they have this exact same lineup next season the Pirates will be pushing 110 losses. This team is perilously close to losing me.

_________________
#3 Iowa State Cyclones vs #7 Connecticut Huskies
Sweet Sixteen
March Madness!!


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
bucco boy wrote:
Not that anybody cares, but they were still in the wild card hunt.

What a bunch of quitters they are!

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:51 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:46 am
Posts: 3209
Location: Economy, PA
I'm glad to see them win a few, especially against a team that has had our number and was still in the hunt.

It IS hard to get excited about next year, because it sure looks like another losing season coming up. But I don't buy into the concept that we're going to have the exact same lineup next year and therefore suck like we have been since the trades.

Lineups and rosters are constantly changing, especially on this team. Players change too. This year's hero can be next year's dog, and vice versa.

I'll just be watching and hoping for the best, like always.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:10 pm
Posts: 1915
I'm finding it hard to get excited right now. I was fine with the trades, even though I was a huge Bay fan. I thought the return we got back was good. At this point I think it's fair to have some questions about these guys. Not based on one month worth of production, but just watching them perform. Moss, for the most part, has looked fine. Karsten is exactly what I figured...a number 5 at most. Not anything to excite you. Ohlendorf looks promising but has a ways to go. LaRoche looks horrid. It makes me wonder if there were reasons the Dodgers soured on him. And Hansen is a mess, which to me is the most disappointing thing with the new guys so far. Curious to see how good McCutcheon will be. And the 2 I'm most interested in are Tabata and Morris. But they are still a couple years away. Then there is the Alvarez debacle...

Maybe it's the 16 years finally piling up. Maybe it's the fact that they were actually a fun team to watch the first half, even though they weren't winning more than losing. Maybe it's the disappointment in certain players(Snell, Gorzo). But I can't seem to get interested right now...not even to watch McClouth and Doumit. I do try to watch when Ohlendorf pitches. Otherwise I just don't care if they win or lose right now. I think this management team has a much better idea and is trying to do the right thing. But even they irritate me. They got rid of Jewitt, one of the brightest managerial prospects in baseball, because he wanted to make out his own lineup. How dare he...being the manager and all. And also he isn't "one of their guys", which I think is getting out of hand. September baseball with a bad team is one of the least interesting things in sport.


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:27 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:11 pm
Posts: 3352
Location: Wheeling, WV
Perhaps the politican was right when he suggested that you could never know the great pleasure of being on top, unless you had been in the deepest valley (paraphrasing).

Two of our president's lived by that mantra. Teddy Roosevelt (my hero) and Nixon who clearly was in the deepest valley and didn't get to the top.

_________________
2011 Will Be Our Year -- well make that 2012 (just saying) So it looks like 2013 now - how long must this go on!
THIS IS IT-- NO MORE STREAK!!! *** Finally*** Time to win it in 2014


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:52 pm
Posts: 4558
Location: Pittsburgh
bucco boy wrote:
Not that anybody cares, but they were still in the wild card hunt.

Couldn't prove it to me after watching Pujol's jog to first on infield grounders.

_________________
"Enjoy every sandwich." - Warren Zevon


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:06 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 pm
Posts: 2169
Big deal they win 3 games in a row already back to losing
its not a big deal when you sweep a team in the middle of september when your on pace for well over 90 loses

_________________
0 straight losing seasons


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
Ryann wrote:
Big deal they win 3 games in a row already back to losing
its not a big deal when you sweep a team in the middle of september when your on pace for well over 90 loses

Perhaps, but it certainly undercuts the "quitting" argument.

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:16 am 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:45 pm
Posts: 1296
Location: Bowie, Md
Willton wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Big deal they win 3 games in a row already back to losing
its not a big deal when you sweep a team in the middle of september when your on pace for well over 90 loses

Perhaps, but it certainly undercuts the "quitting" argument.


Wow... a zinger...

I'd like to see the spin on this. :D


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:21 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 pm
Posts: 2169
Well im hoping they are quitting because if this is their full effort that they are trying then they will never be good.

_________________
0 straight losing seasons


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
Ryann wrote:
Well im hoping they are quitting because if this is their full effort that they are trying then they will never be good.

Have you never heard of young players improving over time?

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:45 pm
Posts: 1296
Location: Bowie, Md
Ryann wrote:
Well im hoping they are quitting because if this is their full effort that they are trying then they will never be good.


That was some weak spin my friend. Barry Bonds hit .223 with a stellar .330 OBP in his 1st MLB season, and he was a star then.

Its called development...


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:01 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 pm
Posts: 2169
Barry bonds was 20 when he debuted for the pirates.
Andy Laroche is 25 as of saturday so dont even try to compare the 2 prospects.
Brandon Moss is 25 today.
There is no comparing the 2 cases.

_________________
0 straight losing seasons


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:01 pm
Posts: 7104
Ryann wrote:
Barry bonds was 20 when he debuted for the pirates.
Andy Laroche is 25 as of saturday so dont even try to compare the 2 prospects.
Brandon Moss is 25 today.
There is no comparing the 2 cases.



Apples and oranges....

Baseball was very different 22 years ago....

Players spend more time in the Minors now to develop and work on things

And Bonds was a rare case of exceptional talent that wasn't in need of much time in the minors...along the lines of the predictions for Pedro Alvarez...Andy LaRoche might be a prospect but Bonds was special

_________________
I say keep the $50 and ban him anyway...

For those jumping ship, we'll keep the bandwagon warm for you...


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
Ryann wrote:
Barry bonds was 20 when he debuted for the pirates.
Andy Laroche is 25 as of saturday so dont even try to compare the 2 prospects.
Brandon Moss is 25 today.
There is no comparing the 2 cases.

Mike Lowell debuted when he was 25, and he hit .253/.317/.419 for the Marlins. Is that comparable?
Travis Hafner debuted when he was 25, and he hit .242/.329/.387 for the Rangers. Is that comparable?
Hell, your boy Xavier Nady debuted when he was 24, and he hit a paltry .267/.321/.391 for the Padres. Is that comparable?

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
Let us also not forget that Andy LaRoche is recovering from a hand injury. That will tend to sap the strength from a player's bat as he attempts to deal with the pain. Want to know what it's like to play injured? Ask Jason Bay circa 2007.

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:02 pm 
Offline
 Profile

Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:28 pm
Posts: 2169
Laroche he is hitting .060 less points then any of those names you recomennded being comparable.
There is no proof he is injured he went on the DL for extended time and had time to heal. Bay never got the luxery of going on the DL and resting or getting surgery or procedures.

This team is terrible there prospects arent all that exciting either. The only prospects that excite me are Andrew McCutchen and Jose Tabata but hte pirates they will keep them in the minors for a few more years instead of letting them get major league experience. McCutchen should be playing in the majors now or be close to guaranteed a starting job next season

_________________
0 straight losing seasons


Top
 
 Post subject: Re: We swept the Cardinals
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:18 pm
Posts: 5060
Location: Scotch Plains, NJ
Ryann wrote:
Laroche he is hitting .060 less points then any of those names you recomennded being comparable.
There is no proof he is injured he went on the DL for extended time and had time to heal. Bay never got the luxery of going on the DL and resting or getting surgery or procedures.

This team is terrible there prospects arent all that exciting either. The only prospects that excite me are Andrew McCutchen and Jose Tabata but hte pirates they will keep them in the minors for a few more years instead of letting them get major league experience. McCutchen should be playing in the majors now or be close to guaranteed a starting job next season

You have a totally unrealistic view of what's going on with the Pirates. I'm not sure what else to say other than I'm really happy that you have no say as to what the Pirates actually do.

_________________
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
~H. L. Mencken


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group  
Design By Poker Bandits