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 Post subject: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:31 pm 
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Talk about your get-away day lineup:

McLouth-CF
Gomez-2B
Doug-1B
Michaels-LF
An. Laroche-3B
Pearce-RF
Cruz-SS
Chavez-C
Gorzo-P

One, ONE MLB-regular player in that lineup. Andy LaRoche makes 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:35 pm 
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BBF wrote:
Talk about your get-away day lineup:

McLouth-CF
Gomez-2B
Doug-1B
Michaels-LF
An. Laroche-3B
Pearce-RF
Cruz-SS
Chavez-C
Gorzo-P

One, ONE MLB-regular player in that lineup. Andy LaRoche makes 2.

Should be three - I see no reason why Pearce has to play behind Morgan.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:45 pm 
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Hopefully we'll steal a win considering it's Fogg on the hill for Cincy.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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I like Chris Gomez but why is he in there when you can get Bixler some playing time.

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:24 pm 
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Now watch them score 12 runs...


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:26 pm 
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bucco boy wrote:
I like Chris Gomez but why is he in there when you can get Bixler some playing time.


I thought the same thing Tuesday night when Bixler was on the bench so that Rivas could play 2nd.

Should we take this as an indication of what Pirates' management thinks of Bixler?


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:30 pm 
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I like Chris Gomez but why is he in there when you can get Bixler some playing time.


I'm fine with playing building for the future by playing young guys at this point in the season to get them experience, etc. That said, I don't have a problem with Bixler being on the bench because I don't see him as being a part of the future here. Playing him is like the worst of both worlds.


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Elmer wrote:
bucco boy wrote:
I like Chris Gomez but why is he in there when you can get Bixler some playing time.


I'm fine with playing building for the future by playing young guys at this point in the season to get them experience, etc. That said, I don't have a problem with Bixler being on the bench because I don't see him as being a part of the future here. Playing him is like the worst of both worlds.



Then no reason to bring him up, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Elmer wrote:
That said, I don't have a problem with Bixler being on the bench because I don't see him as being a part of the future here. Playing him is like the worst of both worlds.


And Gomez and/or Rivas ARE part of the future?

I'd argue that Bixler is 500 times more likely to be a part of the future than either of them, albeit in a utility role.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Well thats what the dokter ordered.. a good 1st inning offensive and defensive..

Gorzo comes through after giving up that lead off double..

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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Man, we might win 100 games if we could play Cincy everyday!

Bucs 3, Reds 0


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Something else I should have mentioned in my previous post(s)...why the hell is Chavez starting? We just called up 2 younger, arguably more talented catchers that are more likely to be part of the future than Raul.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Perhaps with Gorzy starting and trying to re-gain form they wanted the more experienced Chavez?


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Well, Gorzo doesn't even go 4 innings, giving up 3 runs. Frustrating.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Beat 'em Bucs wrote:
Perhaps with Gorzy starting and trying to re-gain form they wanted the more experienced Chavez?


He certainly regained his old form, 3.2 IP and a 2.81 WHIP.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:16 pm 
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Elmer wrote:
bucco boy wrote:
I like Chris Gomez but why is he in there when you can get Bixler some playing time.


I'm fine with playing building for the future by playing young guys at this point in the season to get them experience, etc. That said, I don't have a problem with Bixler being on the bench because I don't see him as being a part of the future here. Playing him is like the worst of both worlds.



Then no reason to bring him up, right?


Exactly. No reason for Bixler to be on the big league roster, in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:18 pm 
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That said, I don't have a problem with Bixler being on the bench because I don't see him as being a part of the future here. Playing him is like the worst of both worlds.


And Gomez and/or Rivas ARE part of the future?

I'd argue that Bixler is 500 times more likely to be a part of the future than either of them, albeit in a utility role.


I never said Gomez and Rivas are part of the future. I don't think any of the three -- Gomez, Rivas or Bixler - is part of the future. If you're going to play someone who is not part of the future, at least play one who can help you win the game.

That's what I meant when I said playing Bixler was the worst of both worlds. He won't be a part of the future, and he won't help you win today's game.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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The Pirates are not going to give up on Bixler just yet. Even though he has looked pathetic with the big club, he had a farily impressive season at AAA.

OPS of .748, pretty good for a shortstop, with only 7 errors in 86 games, and 23 of 30 on SB attempts.

He will turn 26 next month.


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 Post subject: Re: Bucs and Reds, 9-4
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Russell certainly believes Bixler can be part of the future. I don't see why Rivas wouldn't be either. Both are young enough, and might be able to give you some middle infield help. Not everyday stuff, but good utility guys.

Bixler might simply have been brought up too soon.

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