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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:14 am 
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Jurgens is also only 22 years old(I think) so I think that adds to why it would have been a great addition. And without any doubt, adding a young power throwing right hander who by all accounts is wise beyond his years, to this rotation would have made the Pirates a much better team. Even without Jack Wilson. Unfortunately our esteemed ex-GM decided we needed another "veteran" major league ready player in the deal. I believe a guy(Monroe, if I remember correctly) who got released or traded for a bag of balls. Ugh....


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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:00 am 
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Minor league stats can be a good indicator of major league success. CAN BE. Jeremy, I agree that minor league numbers are worth only so much. We've all seen "prospects" flop.

That said, I do like what I've seen of Jurrjens so far. But I also agree that I'll take it with a grain of salt until he's been in the bigs for a whole year.


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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
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I could agree with that in the sense that bad minor league stats are not going to translat to MLB success.

But, to say the minor league success translates to MLB success as some kind of predictor, is a reach. I could buy that successful minor league stats can increase or decrease the odds that your prediction of success is, well, successful.

Jurjjens seems to have a lot of talent and poise. So did Snell and Gorzo and Duke their first go around. And, we see what can happen in the second or third year.

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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
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ZelieMike wrote:
But, to say the minor league success translates to MLB success as some kind of predictor, is a reach.


Now, where have I seen this discussion before? Ah, yes, here. ;)

Well, at least before the hackers found us.

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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
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Bob in Boston wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
But, to say the minor league success translates to MLB success as some kind of predictor, is a reach.

Now, where have I seen this discussion before? Ah, yes, here. ;)

Well, at least before the hackers found us.

Bastard hackers. Now we have to have this discussion all over again. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: How much longer?
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ZelieMike wrote:
I could agree with that in the sense that bad minor league stats are not going to translat to MLB success.

But, to say the minor league success translates to MLB success as some kind of predictor, is a reach. I could buy that successful minor league stats can increase or decrease the odds that your prediction of success is, well, successful.

That's exactly what they do. I think that you're using the word "predictor" as if it implies certainty. It doesn't.

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