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 Post subject: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:16 am 
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With Laroche manning the hot corner with the big club and, presumably, Alvarez about to start skyrocketing up through the system, what becomes of Neil Walker? Is another position change in the offing? He's still young. It's too early to give up on him, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:48 am 
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With Laroche manning the hot corner with the big club and, presumably, Alvarez about to start skyrocketing up through the system, what becomes of Neil Walker? Is another position change in the offing? He's still young. It's too early to give up on him, isn't it?


I see where you are coming from, BurgherMesiter, but I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. LaRoche hasn't hit at the major league level yet, Walker hasn't hit at the Triple A level yet and Alvarez hasn't signed yet.

Chances are AT LEAST one of those guys will work out, possibly more and hopefully all three.

The good part is that, finally, the Pirates have options at third. If LaRoche excels and Alvarez is signed but Walker struggles, you move someone's position. If all three excel at the major league level, you move Walker to the outfield or behind the plate. Or you trade one to plug a hole (SS of the future??). Or you let them compete and have a great bench. Having three POTENTIALLY good third baseman is a great "problem" to have.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
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Burgh - Jose Bautista does not approve of this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:04 pm 
Bucfan wrote:
Burgh - Jose Bautista does not approve of this thread.


I think Bautista's longterm future is as a "super sub" on a good team.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:10 pm 
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Nothing needs to be done with Walker. Just let him keep playing third base at AAA. Not just the rest of this year, but probably next year too.

When you have more than one quality major league third basemen, then you need to make a trade or move someone to another position. We're a long way from that point.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
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Walker got his average up to .242 with 14 HR's and 62 RBI's, but is now in the midst of an 0-16 skien.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:22 am 
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Elmer wrote:
Bucfan wrote:
Burgh - Jose Bautista does not approve of this thread.


I think Bautista's longterm future is as a "super sub" on a good team.


Ding, ding, ding! Correct answer! He's like Rob Mackowiak in his prime. Can play first, third, a little second, and all three OF positions. Perfect role for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:52 am 
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Exactly. There is no such thing as "too many" good players.


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:24 am 
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Walker's value coming out of high school was because he was a catcher with a nice bat. He was never considered a plus defender behind the plate, which is why the Buccos switched him to third.

Since his switch his glove has become even worse, and his bat, a plus at the catcher position, is now a liability at third.

Here is his line from last night...

3B Neil Walker (.230) went 0 for 4 and committed his 16th error.

He may be a man without a country (position).


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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
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PBB wrote:

Since his switch his glove has become even worse, and his bat, a plus at the catcher position, is now a liability at third.



This shows you don't know what you are talking about.

He defense is better than anything they've got at 3b, including the MLB level. If you dont' believe that, ask the Pirates.

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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
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PBB wrote:
Walker's value coming out of high school was because he was a catcher with a nice bat. He was never considered a plus defender behind the plate, which is why the Buccos switched him to third.

He didn't get moved out from behind the plate because he wasn't a plus defender. He was moved because he sucked behind the plate.

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Since his switch his glove has become even worse, and his bat, a plus at the catcher position, is now a liability at third.

Here is his line from last night...

3B Neil Walker (.230) went 0 for 4 and committed his 16th error.

He may be a man without a country (position).

Sixteen errors is not an inordinate amount for a third baseman at this stage of the season, especially in the minor leagues. Third basemen in the Majors have won Gold Gloves with over (sometimes WAY over) 20 errors in a season. Counting errors tells you very little about a minor league player's defensive ability unless the error total is ridiculously high. Every time I've heard a scout talk about Walker's defense at third, the reviews have been positive.

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 Post subject: Re: Whither Walker?
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ZelieMike wrote:
PBB wrote:

Since his switch his glove has become even worse, and his bat, a plus at the catcher position, is now a liability at third.



This shows you don't know what you are talking about.

He defense is better than anything they've got at 3b, including the MLB level. If you dont' believe that, ask the Pirates.

ZM

I don't think that's true now that LaRoche is here, but that's just an educated guess.

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