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 Post subject: Bay Trade 3 way interesting. (Pirates, Marlins, Red Sox?)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:09 pm 
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Bay Talks slow with Rays
Jayson Stark, ESPN Senior Writer
Jul. 30 - 7:41 pm et
Jason Bay was included in Pittsburgh's lineup tonight, while Reid Brignac started for Triple-A Durham. Stark says one reason talks may have slowed is because the Pirates suspect the Red Sox will go after Bay is a Manny Ramirez trade gets done or maybe even as part of a Ramirez deal. Jeremy Hermida would be a nice return for Bay.


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 Post subject: Re: Bay Trade 3 way interesting. (Pirates, Marlins, Red Sox?)
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who wants A NICE RETURN ?...we want to be overwhelmed...

For once the PBC is the KEYSTONE in this blockbuste...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:19 pm 
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who wants A NICE RETURN ?...we want to be overwhelmed...

For once the PBC is the KEYSTONE in this blockbuste...


I agree. A Marte/Nady "wait and see how it unfolds" kind of trade for Bay would be a monumental failure for the organization. They need several blue chip, top of the food chain prospects and/or young major leaguers to even consider trading him.


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hermida and van der hurk.. Lets bring in the dutchman!! my fellow native

he is still young.. impressive sometimes.. and hermida.. i am in

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 Post subject: Re: Bay Trade 3 way interesting. (Pirates, Marlins, Red Sox?)
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Same here. A "nice return" is bull.

Bay has several good years left, and wants to stay here. Who would you plug in there to replace him.

I agree. I would have to be totally blown away by some kind of super offer. Some minor league "prospects", no matter who they are, won't cut it.


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the commish's office has been informed...

PBC gets four players...Hermedia and three prospects (one from Boston and two from Fla) and we send the Sox Grabow...

Now the teams have to agree on the prospects, which might take awhile...

What in the wide, wide, world of sports is happening?...ESPN (endless sox propaganda network) will be beside themselves !


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 Post subject: Re: Bay Trade 3 way interesting. (Pirates, Marlins, Red Sox?)
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:26 pm 
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the commish's office has been informed...

PBC gets four players...Hermedia and three prospects (one from Boston and two from Fla) and we send the Sox Grabow...

Now the teams have to agree on the prospects, which might take awhile...

What in the wide, wide, world of sports is happening?...ESPN (endless sox propaganda network) will be beside themselves !


These better be some AMAZING prospects.


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Best case scenario is Hermida, Stanton, Volstad, and Lowrie IMO! I would also settle for Masterson instead of Volstad, but I love Lowrie and I have heard many executives think that Stanton is becoming one of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball, not just in the Marlins system. I think if we can get him, our OF will be set for many years, with or without Bay.


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Supposedly Grabow and Bay are headed to Boston. Also, Manny Ramirez has to approve the trade.........


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Quote:
We Have A Deal But …

by Will Carroll

The Commissioner’s Office has been informed of a deal involving the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins. The Commissioner has to sign off on any deal involving cash considerations of more than a million dollars and there was clearly going to be cash involved in any deal. There’s also some formality about Manny Ramirez waiving his 10-5 rights and no trade clause and I’ll admit not understanding the technicalities.

So here’s what Pee Wee Herman would call the “big but.” The teams, I am told, have not agreed on the specific prospects to be included in the deal. It’s expected that in addition to the principals, the Red Sox would get John Grabow and give up two prospects while the Marlins would get one prospect and give up two. There’s still a lot of haggling but my scribbling notes make it look like the structure of the deal is:

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

There is still potential for this to fall apart over the prospects, though things appear closer now than ever before.


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=967


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I'm finally getting excited. Hermida is a stud hitter. Not better than Bay, but a stud nonetheless.

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read this my friends..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3511804

that would be a huge 3 way trade... bay, wilson and grabow out..

but look at those prospects.. Lowrie, Stanton, 2 others and Hermida

wow

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I'll march on NH's office if he pulls the trigger on this deal.

I don't care about Ramirez and the rest, but in the end we wind up with a hitter no better than Bay and some guys no one ever heard of.

It ain't enough.


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Steve1118 wrote:
I'll march on NH's office if he pulls the trigger on this deal.

I don't care about Ramirez and the rest, but in the end we wind up with a hitter no better than Bay and some guys no one ever heard of.

It ain't enough.



And I'll march into the office to shake his hand! Those are impact, top-notch prospects that would vault the Pirates organizational depth skyward.

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Has anyone seen Dallas McPherson's numbers at Albequerque? Off the charts!!! I know, I know, he's 28 and strikes out once every three ABs. But he was a budding major league star a couple years ago until back problems sidelined him, now he's blocked in the Marlins system. I'll just bet he could play some first base. Personally I'd love to see him thrown into the deal.


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If the other rumored Marlins deal goes through (Jacobs for Molina -SF) then Dallas will get his chance.


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We will wait to see if this potential deal goes through, but Hermida is a good player. He is a left-handed hitting Jason Bay. Lots of power, good OBP, lots of K's, but better arm.

If the Buccos get Hermida and two other top prospects - Volstad, Matt Dominguez - then it will be a good return. The Pirates will be worse for the deal in the short term, but have more talent to build the major league team in 2009 and beyond.

I do not think much of Stanton as a prospect. He is 27 and in A ball. Some criticize Tabata, who is 8 years younger and playing in AA.

Imagine Tabata tearing up A ball in 2016. Would he be considered a big-time prospect?


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well humm so hermida is a k 's machine i m not sure he will cut his total k in NL !

i' m sick .... we had with bay nady and nate one of the best outfield around here ! for many years to come easily !




what was our priority ?

i' m not for these kind of deal ... sure and established major league hitters with all star caliber for prospects from nowhere :(

could we replace nady or bay ? NO ! not yet ! they hit for average , for power .....

when you deal this kind of player YOU are the cornerstone of the deal so u must bring equivalent players ! that 's all i think .

U must bring some brilliant starters, major league caliber starters !

so nady , marte , bay , grabow dealt for what ? be serious fellows this franchise is a joke !

it 's weird .... no one wants osoria or mister "half season" laroche ? :lol:

Don' t panic guys

our outfield is gone

our relief staff considerably less effective

our starting rotation is crap

our infield didn 't produce for may be 15 years ...

doumit and mac louth won't stay very long for sure...


sometimes i understand some old board members who stopped the support to this circus :evil:


Bucs in 2016.....


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Bucfan wrote:
We will wait to see if this potential deal goes through, but Hermida is a good player. He is a left-handed hitting Jason Bay. Lots of power, good OBP, lots of K's, but better arm.

If the Buccos get Hermida and two other top prospects - Volstad, Matt Dominguez - then it will be a good return. The Pirates will be worse for the deal in the short term, but have more talent to build the major league team in 2009 and beyond.

I do not think much of Stanton as a prospect. He is 27 and in A ball. Some criticize Tabata, who is 8 years younger and playing in AA.

Imagine Tabata tearing up A ball in 2016. Would he be considered a big-time prospect?


Michael Stanton is 18 years old.


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 Post subject: Re: Bay Trade 3 way interesting. (Pirates, Marlins, Red Sox?)
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Florida seems to be giving up a lot for a two month rental. They've already said they won't look to extend Manny after the season. This seems almost too good to be true. And as for Boston, Bay ain't no Ramirez.


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