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 Post subject: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:51 pm 
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5-1/3 IP, 12 hits, 6 runs (5 earned), 1 walk, 2 wild pitches. Five of the hits were doubles.

ERA now is 6.28

This starting pitcher experiment isn't yielding the desired results.

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:54 pm 
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Hey, Moskos may not be doing that well, but at least we didn't end up with this guy....

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Matt%20Wieters&pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446308


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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
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You're right, Chris. My bad: I should have learned to look on the bright side by now.

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:25 am 
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Chris Anderson wrote:
Hey, Moskos may not be doing that well, but at least we didn't end up with this guy....

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Matt%20Wieters&pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446308


His production is falling off from high-A to AA. He has a mediocre OPS in AA of just .972, after he had an OPS in high-A of 1.024.

At this rate, by the time he reaches the majors, his OPS will be a mere .950, which would be okay, I guess, for a switch-hitting catcher who projects as a three or four hitter.


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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:06 am 
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Bob in Boston wrote:
5-1/3 IP, 12 hits, 6 runs (5 earned), 1 walk, 2 wild pitches. Five of the hits were doubles.

ERA now is 6.28

This starting pitcher experiment isn't yielding the desired results.



Those numbers would make him our #4 guy right now in the rotation...

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
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Chris Anderson wrote:
Hey, Moskos may not be doing that well, but at least we didn't end up with this guy....

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Matt%20Wieters&pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446308


I'm glad we didn't get him, he hasnt hit any triples and only has 1 stolen base? and is hitting .400 against lefthanded pitching? What kind of ballplayer is he?

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:18 pm 
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nad69dan wrote:
I'm glad we didn't get him, he hasnt hit any triples and only has 1 stolen base? and is hitting .400 against lefthanded pitching? What kind of ballplayer is he?


Exactly. A guy who projects to hit 30 HR's, hit .300, with excellent strike zone recognition, a .550 slugging, and a switch hitter to boot?

Those guys grow on trees.


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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:17 am 
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Let's not JUST pick on Moskos, or dream of having Wieter.... and let's give Littlefield and Bonifay a little slack, I mean we all make mistakes, BUT if we are going in this direction.....

Since Sid Bream slid into home in 92, here is who we drafted, and who we could have drafted (1st Round ONLY)

93: Charles Peterson (22)
94: Mark Farris (11)
95: Chad Hermansen (10)
96: Kris Benson (1)
97: JJ Davis (8)
98: Clint Johnson (15)
99: Bobby Bradley (8)
00: Sean Burnett (19)
01: JVB (8)
02: Brian Bullington (1)
03: Paul Maholm (8)
04: Neil Walker (11)
05: Andrew McCutchen (11)
06: Brad Lincoln (4)
07: Daniel Moskos (4)

Here are a list of names (1st round only, not including supplemental) we could have had instead of these bums (with the exception of Paul Maholm and Andrew McCutchen)...

93: Nobody
94: Nomar Garciaparra, Paul Konerko, Jason Varitek
95: Matt Morris (when he WAS good), Roy Halladay
96: Eric Chavez, Jake Westbrook
97: Jon Garland, Lance Berkman
98: Brad Lidge, CC Sabathia
99: Barry Zito, Ben Sheets, Alex Rios
00: Adam Wainwright
01: Casey Kotchman
02: BJ Upton, Zack Greinke, Prince Fielder, Jeff Francis, Jeremy Hermida, Khalil Greene, Scott Kazmir, Nick Swisher, Cole Hamels, James Loney, Jeff Francoeur, OUCH
03: (to be fair, we did draft Maholm here) Lastings Milledge, Conor Jackson, Chad Cordero, Brandon Wood, Chad Billingsley, Carlos Quentin
04: Jered Weaver, Billy Butler, Stephen Drew, Phillip Hughes
05: (again, to be fair, we drafted McCutchen here) Jay Bruce, Jacoby Ellsbury, Colby Rasmus
06: Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum
07: MATT WEITERS, Matt LaPorta

This is just a part of our misery.... I haven't even mentioned names like, Herges, Ramirez, Chris Young, Derek Bell, Jeremy Burnitz, MATT MORRIS (okay, I did mention him), and many, many more. If you believe in the old saying: what goes around, comes around... I think that Pedro Alvarez should win the triple crown, and break A-Rod's soon-to-be home run record... all with the Pirates............. and that would be the tip of the iceberg!


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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:00 am 
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The issue with Moskos over Wieters is this: Wieters was seen as the best college hitter in the draft, by a long shot, and was known to be very productive against top pitching competition, with a very good eye at the plate, power, switch-hitting ability, and defensive skills that could keep him at C.

These facts were known. The outrage over selecting Moskos over Wieters was immediate and fierce, and Wieters' production to date shows why. This is not second guessing a year after the draft - basically everybody on this board said, "Take Wieters. Scott Boras be damned."

I and many others pointed out that even if the Buccos did not sign him, then they would get a comp pick the next year at number 5. The Morris trade and the Moskos pick ended Littefield's tenure with the Pirates - and deservedly so.


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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
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When you see those picks against the possible picks it is apparent that those evaluating talent or those not willing to spend a little money have really cost the Pirates all these bad seasons. I know that many kids develop late but come on...

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
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While all that is true, it is still patently unfair to try and compare at this point.

Moskos is being worked on. Weiters is simply advancing. A pitcher is pitching more and longer than he ever has, and has to get used to that, in addition to developing as a starter.

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 Post subject: Re: Another horrible outing by Moskos
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ZelieMike wrote:
While all that is true, it is still patently unfair to try and compare at this point.

Moskos is being worked on. Weiters is simply advancing.


Moskos is stinking it up in high A ball.

Wieters is crushing the ball in AA.

That is all the comparison needed.


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