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 Post subject: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:11 pm 
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburght ... 76960.html

Call up a guy who can't master AA hitting. Brilliant. This club never ceases to amaze.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:14 pm 
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This just further proves my point of Russell's fetish of players with a last name ending in Z! Munoz joins both Sanchez, Mientkiewicz, Gomez, Chavez and the gang!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:50 pm 
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Wow what a call up.
Somebody that got sent to Double A cause he was getting rocked in Triple A and when he got to Double A he still got rocked.
The Pirates should have something along the line like the all-star voting of local people in the area that might be free to start a game for us.



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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:55 pm 
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That's an unbelievable call up. Either we can't assess talent or more probable is that there just is no one on the roster who cando anything in the majors.

Thought JVB was bad? Get ready for the relief pitchers to get plenty of work.

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Elmer wrote:
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_576960.html

Call up a guy who can't master AA hitting. Brilliant. This club never ceases to amaze.

Who would you prefer they call up?

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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:03 pm 
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I'm guessing they wanted to call up someone already on the 40 man to avoid having to put anyone else through waivers. Not many other choices. Taubenheim is hurt, Bartmeier isn't ready, and Salas has already shown he isn't reliable.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:49 pm 
Willton wrote:
Elmer wrote:
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/pirates/s_576960.html

Call up a guy who can't master AA hitting. Brilliant. This club never ceases to amaze.

Who would you prefer they call up?


I would prefer they call up one of the following from Indy:
Marino Salas
Barthmeir (see if he has better results from the pen)

Or one of the following from Altoona
Herrera
Davidson
Hankins
Mateo
Shortslef

And as far as the 40 man roster goes, they can just release JVB. It's an inevitable move. He's proven he can't throw strikes and can't get hitters out at the big league level.

In other words, I prefer a guy who has at least shown he can get hitters out at the level he's currently at. It makes no sense to me to bring up a guy who's struggling against AA hitters and expect him to do anything meaningful against major league hitters.

Wilton, I know you like to defend Pirates management no matter what they do (which "Torpedos Your Credibility, btw"), but this is simply a bad call up. The guy -- wait for it -- sucks.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
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Willton wrote:
Who would you prefer they call up?


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:52 pm 
Bucfan wrote:
Willton wrote:
Who would you prefer they call up?


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Bucfan, don't suggest any players, seriously or joking. That would imply the Pirates management made a mistake and, you know, they never do.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
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Elmer wrote:
Bucfan, don't suggest any players, seriously or joking. That would imply the Pirates management made a mistake and, you know, they never do.


Well, the Pirates were correct in believing that Kazmir might have a problem with injury.

He missed a few starts early this season. The fact that he is 42-33 career - with a historically bad team - and a lifetime 3.53 ERA and 701 K's in 648 innings??

Smoke and mirrors, my man, smoke and mirrors. The Bucs were wise to pass on him.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:19 pm 
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Bucfan, don't suggest any players, seriously or joking. That would imply the Pirates management made a mistake and, you know, they never do.


Well, the Pirates were correct in believing that Kazmir might have a problem with injury.

He missed a few starts early this season. The fact that he is 42-33 career - with a historically bad team - and a lifetime 3.53 ERA and 701 K's in 648 innings??

Smoke and mirrors, my man, smoke and mirrors. The Bucs were wise to pass on him.


I'm not really talking about Kazmir in particular. I'm making a point about the fact that you implied (jokingly or seriously) that someone -- ANYONE -- was a better call up than Munoz was blasphemy. At least on this board.

Remember the First Commandment of the board: Though shall not criticize the "new" management.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:43 pm 
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Bucfan wrote:


Smoke and mirrors, my man, smoke and mirrors. The Bucs were wise to pass on him.


Especially considering we got Matt Peterson instead. He was more major league ready, if I recall. :roll: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:46 pm 
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Elmer wrote:
Remember the First Commandment of the board: Though shall not criticize the "new" management.


Which is in contrat to the First Commandment of Elmer..."Thou shalt make a huge fvcking deal over who they call up to be the friggin MOP UP GUY."

To my knowledge, Munoz isn't going to be the closer. Relax. Munoz is probably as good an option as Salas. He'll be used in the 4th and 5th innings of blow outs, to save our half-decent arms. And if you believe Barthmaier has any value at all, then you have to let him keep taking his turn in a rotation somewhere, not rotting in the Pirates bullpen.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:18 pm 
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Elmer wrote:
Remember the First Commandment of the board: Though shall not criticize the "new" management.


Which is in contrat to the First Commandment of Elmer..."Thou shalt make a huge fvcking deal over who they call up to be the friggin MOP UP GUY."

To my knowledge, Munoz isn't going to be the closer. Relax. Munoz is probably as good an option as Salas. He'll be used in the 4th and 5th innings of blow outs, to save our half-decent arms. And if you believe Barthmaier has any value at all, then you have to let him keep taking his turn in a rotation somewhere, not rotting in the Pirates bullpen.


I guess our standards as fans really have fallen when we only care about the quality of some of the players on the roster. It's sad that the we're at the point some fans are OK with struggling Double A pitchers on the roster, period.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:29 pm 
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I'm actually sort of glad that they didn't call up Herrera from AA. He's due to start again Saturday night against the Erie Seawolves, and I'm going to try to go see him. He's been looking pretty good lately. To me, this call up proves they have no plans to start Munoz, but to use him in mop up only. They don't need a 5th starter until July 21. I guess there's no sense in wasting Herrera for that.

They must really hate Jesse Chavez. If so, though, why waste a roster spot for him? If not, why not give him a shot?


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:59 pm 
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Elmer wrote:
BBF wrote:
Elmer wrote:
Remember the First Commandment of the board: Though shall not criticize the "new" management.


Which is in contrat to the First Commandment of Elmer..."Thou shalt make a huge fvcking deal over who they call up to be the friggin MOP UP GUY."

To my knowledge, Munoz isn't going to be the closer. Relax. Munoz is probably as good an option as Salas. He'll be used in the 4th and 5th innings of blow outs, to save our half-decent arms. And if you believe Barthmaier has any value at all, then you have to let him keep taking his turn in a rotation somewhere, not rotting in the Pirates bullpen.


I guess our standards as fans really have fallen when we only care about the quality of some of the players on the roster. It's sad that the we're at the point some fans are OK with struggling Double A pitchers on the roster, period.


I'm done arguing with you. If you want to get your panties in a bunch because Munoz is pitching in the 5th inning down by 8 runs instead of Salas, fine. Its not as if we are passing up some hot prospect to take over some key role. This makes the infmous rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic look quite important by comparison. But apparently NH nailed your wife, so everything he does is wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
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You need to remember that this call up is probably only for the weekend til the All Star Break...

You dont want to call up a starter and have him sit...if this was to take a spot in the rotation then yes, there is a problem, but its a mop up spot...

is this another un-proof that management wants to lose Elmer?

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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
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I'm done arguing with you. If you want to get your panties in a bunch because Munoz is pitching in the 5th inning down by 8 runs instead of Salas, fine. Its not as if we are passing up some hot prospect to take over some key role. This makes the infmous rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic look quite important by comparison. But apparently NH nailed your wife, so everything he does is wrong.

Given the amount of nitpicking this guy does to his favorite team, can you imagine Elmer actually having a wife? I'm not sure there's a woman out there that can be as perfect as Elmer would like.

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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:33 am 
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Bucfan wrote:
Elmer wrote:
Bucfan, don't suggest any players, seriously or joking. That would imply the Pirates management made a mistake and, you know, they never do.


Well, the Pirates were correct in believing that Kazmir might have a problem with injury.

He missed a few starts early this season. The fact that he is 42-33 career - with a historically bad team - and a lifetime 3.53 ERA and 701 K's in 648 innings??

Smoke and mirrors, my man, smoke and mirrors. The Bucs were wise to pass on him.


I agree. He projected as an impact pitcher, not a #3 starter. DL would not have been interested and he wouldn't have fit into our plans.

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 Post subject: Re: wtf?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:34 am 
I don't see this as management trying to lose, but I do see it as a bad move that won't help them win. Is it a major move? NO. But it is a move nonetheless and I'm making some observations on it.

It really amazes me how far some of you guys will go to defend EVERY move management makes. They are not perfect. NH and co have made some good moves and some bad moves. Calling up a very bad AA pitcher to the big league roster is a bad move. Praising the good while ignoring the bad is being an apologist.

And it really is a sign of how far the standards of Pirates fans have dropped when some act as if that sort of a move is OK.

Oh, and Econo, please explain to me how it is appropriate to bring up my personal life in a discussion about the Pirates bullpen.


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