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 Post subject: Here's an idea...
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:56 pm 
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Why don't the Pirates bat the pitcher in the 2 spot and move Sanchez to the #8 spot in the lineup? Really, why don't they just do it...

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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:25 am 
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They need to send up a cardboard cut out of Freddy in the #2 spot, he'd atleast take a pitch

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nad69dan wrote:
They need to send up a cardboard cut out of Freddy in the #2 spot, he'd atleast take a pitch


I think even a cardboard cut out of Freddy would swing at a slider that is low and away.

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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:38 am 
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They need to send up a cardboard cut out of Freddy in the #2 spot, he'd atleast take a pitch


I think even a cardboard cut out of Freddy would swing at a slider that is low and away.


Why not just bench Freddy for a while.


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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
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Cuz Rivas isnt that much better...

I'd like to see them let Doug Meint. have a crack at 2nd or let him man down 3rd and move Bautista to 2nd for a few games

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I was listening to call in show during the rain delay the other night and he said Freddy has made the most outs in the Majors....Yay, we're leading in the league in something!!!


And to think I wasted a 24th round pick on him in fantasy baseball this year

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You know what, Rivas as a starter as 2nd hasn't been bad, or too bad, at all. He is not a SS, and his swing/plate discipline hasn't seemed to work as a PH. But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well.

Certainly better than Freddy this year.

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You know what, Rivas as a starter as 2nd hasn't been bad, or too bad, at all. He is not a SS, and his swing/plate discipline hasn't seemed to work as a PH. But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well.

Certainly better than Freddy this year.

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I won't argue about Freddy, but what part of hitting .243/.273/.383 is "pretty well?"

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Your numbers include SS and substitute.

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ZelieMike wrote:
Your numbers include SS and substitute.

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Are you saying that Rivas is a different hitter when he's a SS compared to when he's a 2B?

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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
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No. I suggest you go back and read.

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ZelieMike wrote:
No. I suggest you go back and read.

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Then I suggest you not criticize me for including his batting stats as a SS with his batting stats as a 2B.

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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:30 am 
Willton wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
No. I suggest you go back and read.

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Then I suggest you not criticize me for including his batting stats as a SS with his batting stats as a 2B.


So humorous how you accuse others of being nit picky.


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ZelieMike wrote:
You know what, Rivas as a starter as 2nd hasn't been bad, or too bad, at all. He is not a SS, and his swing/plate discipline hasn't seemed to work as a PH. But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well.

Certainly better than Freddy this year.

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What part of "Rivas as a starter at 2nd hasn't been bad" and "But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well" is difficult to comprehend?

The comparison is crystal clear. Comparing Rivas [i]as a starter at 2B[/i] to Sanchez as a starter at 2B demonstrates that Rivas has not been "bad" and has been better than Sanchez.

Simply put, quoting Rivas' full season stats does nothing to undermine the point that was being raised. Going back to my Logic classes, I believe that this is an example of the "red herring" fallacy . . . or maybe the "strawman" fallacy . . . no, I'm pretty sure that it is a "red herring."

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Argue all you want people--- Rivas is not the answer. Not defending Freddy here, but come on Rivas at second full time is silly.

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No. 9 wrote:
ZelieMike wrote:
You know what, Rivas as a starter as 2nd hasn't been bad, or too bad, at all. He is not a SS, and his swing/plate discipline hasn't seemed to work as a PH. But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well.

Certainly better than Freddy this year.

ZM


What part of "Rivas as a starter at 2nd hasn't been bad" and "But, as a starter at 2nd, he has fielded well, and hit pretty well" is difficult to comprehend?

The comparison is crystal clear. Comparing Rivas [i]as a starter at 2B[/i] to Sanchez as a starter at 2B demonstrates that Rivas has not been "bad" and has been better than Sanchez.

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Your numbers include SS and substitute.

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is difficult for YOU to comprehend? Clearly, along with making the starter/sub distinction, ZM was making a distinction between Rivas's hitting stats as a SS and his hittings stats as a 2B.

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Simply put, quoting Rivas' full season stats does nothing to undermine the point that was being raised. Going back to my Logic classes, I believe that this is an example of the "red herring" fallacy . . . or maybe the "strawman" fallacy . . . no, I'm pretty sure that it is a "red herring."

Fine, you want to focus on Rivas as a starter at 2B? He's been hitting .258/.281/.355 as a starter at 2B this season. That does not appear to be much different from his full season stats.

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 Post subject: Re: Here's an idea...
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Well why don't the Piratesntry something crazy and start Bautista at second and start Doug at third.
There is nothing out there that says Bautista can't play second.


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