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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:52 pm 
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Well, I believe JvB was a Mickey White project, no? Most of the talent that is here now, Doumit, McLouth, Snell etc, where his picks right?

When I think of DL, that is what first comes to mind. Why in the world did you fire Mickey White?

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:48 pm 
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Stupid move by the Bucs.
In a couple years he will be a 10-15 game winner with somebody else.
It was way too early to give up on him and its not like we really have some next big thing pitcher coming through our minor league system.
After 9-1 today and the release of Bullington i wouldn't be susprised to see Alot of our team get traded.
We have some of the players at teams in the AL will want to close up their divisions.
We are just the minor leagues for the teams that want to get in the race at the mid-season point.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:51 pm 
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Colin21 wrote:
In a couple years he will be a 10-15 game winner with somebody else.


I'm saving that quote. Best laugh I've had in years. If Bullington wins 15 games in a season, I'll walk coast to coast in a speedo.

Or, did you mean he might have 10-15 CAREER wins?


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:35 pm 
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10-15 wins isn't really lighting the league on fire.
You can have 10-15 wins and still have 10-15 losses.
I see him as that kind of pitcher.
He will win as many as he loses.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:33 am 
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He'll win 15 too bad it will be one of those slow pitch softball leagues with kegs at each base!!!

He was never supposed to be anything more than a #3 guy anyway and management showed no confidence in him from the pen and now showed no confidence in him at AAA (where he wasn't throwing that well either)...

Van Benschoten needs to be ready to make the same exit soon too, if he doesnt turn it around...

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:14 am 
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I'm not so sure Bullington will get 10-15 starts, let alone 10-15 wins.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:11 am 
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That is true.
He will more than likey spend the rest of his career in double or triple A but i do think if he was given a chance he could have done just as well as anybody on our team this year besides Duke.
Duke was always better than Bullington but i don't really think we have any pitchers that are much better than him.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:51 am 
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Colin21 wrote:
That is true.
He will more than likey spend the rest of his career in double or triple A but i do think if he was given a chance he could have done just as well as anybody on our team this year besides Duke.
Duke was always better than Bullington but i don't really think we have any pitchers that are much better than him.


Oh yes. Bullington is much better than Snell. Mainly because he is taller. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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See BBF, you're learning how to be Pirates talent scout! :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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I don't think snell is every going to be really good.
Yeah he pitched a no-hitter in the minors , but how long on we going to wait on him to do something good this year before he's down in triple A with gorzo.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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Colin21 wrote:
I don't think snell is every going to be really good.
Yeah he pitched a no-hitter in the minors , but how long on we going to wait on him to do something good this year before he's down in triple A with gorzo.

You seem to forget what happened last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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I still don't consider that a good year.
I think being Pirate fans we seem to have forgot what a real good year looks like.
Its not a year where you go 9-12 and call that a career year.
That doesn't make you good.
He had a good slider last year and now it just seems everybody is ready for that slider since it is his only good pitch.


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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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Colin21 wrote:
I still don't consider that a good year.
I think being Pirate fans we seem to have forgot what a real good year looks like.
Its not a year where you go 9-12 and call that a career year.
That doesn't make you good.
He had a good slider last year and now it just seems everybody is ready for that slider since it is his only good pitch.


Records arent everything you measure a pitcher by...his first half of last season was damn good...and the season prior, proved he was going to be a good pitcher...

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
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Colin21 wrote:
I still don't consider that a good year.
I think being Pirate fans we seem to have forgot what a real good year looks like.
Its not a year where you go 9-12 and call that a career year.
That doesn't make you good.
He had a good slider last year and now it just seems everybody is ready for that slider since it is his only good pitch.

A pitcher's win-loss record tells you very little about how good the pitcher is. In order to win a game, a team needs to score more runs than it allows. Snell has very little control over how many runs his team scores, and in case you forgot, the 2007 Pirates had a bad offense (12th in the NL in runs scored). Snell had a 3.76 ERA (4.04 RA), 177 Ks and only 68 BBs, all in 209 IP. On any other team, Snell likely would have had 15 wins to his name that season. It's not fair to punish Snell for the failures of the offense.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: pitchers do not win games; teams do.

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 Post subject: Re: Pirates Cut Bullington
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:43 am 
The Bullington situation makes you realize how bad DL was. Not that I needed another reminder.


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