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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:31 pm 
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I'd even be in favor of letting have a few days off as the closer and bring him in the 6th or 7th inning...Lets see what Grabow or Marte could do for a week as the closer...maybe it helps add trade value if another teams closer were to go down...

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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:39 pm 
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Marte hasn't been much better lately. He almost blew the game Monday and blew it yesterday.

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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:58 pm 
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Baseball continues to amaze me.

Pre-season our biggest concern was relief pitching except for closer.

turns out SP is biggest problem, offense is great and relief pitching outstanding. Capps closes the first 15 with a spotless record.

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SP is improving offense is over-achieving but relief pitching and closer are both problems.

Feels like a man with his finger in a dike (no pun intended) who plugs up one hole only to discover another that causes him to move to correct that problem, only to rediscover that the original problem has returned and added another associated problem with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:59 pm 
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I said earlier in the season, I believe before the board got hacked so I'm not going to look for it, but he looks like he put a few pounds on, and I'm not talking muscle...and I thought that was a reason for the slowness on the Fastball...Gorzo is throwing around the same velocity!!!


Seems to me that packing 255 or so pounds on a 6 ft. 2 in. frame makes Matty a pretty big fella, more along the lines of a muscle-bound middle linebacker than a power pitcher with the suppleness and leverage to run a fastball up to 94 or 95 m.p.h.

But then Bartolo Colon was throwing pretty hard at 5-11, 250, so what do I know? I never pitched after Little League.

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I'd even be in favor of letting have a few days off as the closer and bring him in the 6th or 7th inning.


Capps did, in fact, just have a few days off, according to the records. He appeared in the June 21 game and then not again until the 27th.

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 Post subject: Re: Capps
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BBF wrote:
nad69dan wrote:
I said earlier in the season, I believe before the board got hacked so I'm not going to look for it, but he looks like he put a few pounds on, and I'm not talking muscle...and I thought that was a reason for the slowness on the Fastball...Gorzo is throwing around the same velocity!!!


I can back you up dan. I agreed with you, and in fact, even earlier than that, when they were discussing a contract extension, I remember posting that I thought it was a bad idea. My reasoning was that reliever performance is variable from year to year, and that with a reliever who primarily relies on fastballs with no movement and is consistently over the plate, you are going to be prone to getting whacked. And even before blowing these saves, how many outs were warning track fly balls?


Agreed. I've been saying the same thing, especially over the last month. Even when he gets outs a lot of times they are lasers hit at someone. He does not currently have "closer stuff". His fastball has always looked dead straight to me and other teams are now adjusting to the fact that they know he will throw them a flat fastball over the heart of the plate early. His other pitches must not be very good because he almost never throws them. If you are going to stand out there and challenge hitters with 90% fastballs they better be coming with some movement and at a better pace than 89-90 mph...

I do think he has the perfect mentality for the job of closer but he has to change his approach, improve his fastball, and as you guys have pointed out maybe get into better shape.


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 Post subject: Re: Capps
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I agree he's got the mentality, he should have laid off the Twinkees in the offseason

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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:57 am 
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Astute call, you guys. Shoulder bursitis. Undoubtedly the cause of the loss of velocity and life on the fastball. Out for 8 weeks...Ouch!


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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:09 pm 
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No. 9 wrote:
When Capps is most effective, he gets some movement on his fastball. Right now, his fastball has not only lost velocity but it is flat.


Capps throws 4-seam the vast majority of the time. That pitch has a bit of movement, but not much. It is not designed to move, since it is thrown primarily at the outside corner. You don't want the 4-seam tailing back over the middle of the plate, and you don't want to throw a quasi-cutter that drifts out of the strike zone.

Capps problems were related a bit to velocity (drop of 2-3 mph), and mainly to loss of control. He was throwing fastballs over the heart of the plate and missing his target by quite a lot.

A couple of times, I saw Doumit set up knee-high, outside corner to batters, and then have Capps throw the pitch up and in. Capps is not a guy who misses his target by 2 feet, but that is what he was doing. His lack of control was further evidenced by his tendency to leave pitches over the middle of the plate, belt high.


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 Post subject: Re: Capps
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 Post subject: Re: Capps
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Maybe he wasn't pitching good because his shoulder was bothering him. Just a theory.


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 Post subject: Re: Capps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:20 pm 
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Maybe he wasn't pitching good because his shoulder was bothering him. Just a theory.


Obviously. Even when he was healthy, though, viewed him more as an 8th inning guy closing games, than a closer.


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