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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:01 am 
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How many runs has Yates walked home this year?

I don't remember any, though he may have.

This seems a strawman arguement. He walks lots of guys, but not home as best I can tell.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:52 am 
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ZelieMike wrote:

This seems a strawman arguement. He walks lots of guys, but not home as best I can tell.

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Not a strawman. Simply hyperbole. Sarcasm. Exaggeration.

Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:01 am 
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BBF wrote:
Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


You're wrong.

Although he may walk a lot of batters, he gets the ones he needs to get out............VERY "clutch"!!!! :)


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:28 am 
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Gorzo got away with a lot of walks last night but Bob Walk (sorry about that) always preaches about them as mortal sins which destroy pitchers. Gorzo has on many occassions also stated that walks are killers.

Since Yates walks many guys, he needs to get more control to become more valuable to the team.

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Argentum wrote:

Although he may walk a lot of batters, he gets the ones he needs to get out............VERY "clutch"!!!! :)


Ha! Using that logic, Mike Williams was one of the clutchiest pitchers of all time! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:00 pm 
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We have some pretty "dominant" stats in this category at least...Gorzo and Snell are #1 and 3 respectively in all of baseball for BBs. Andrews has got to address this with some authority.


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BBF wrote:
Not a strawman. Simply hyperbole. Sarcasm. Exaggeration.

Yates walks a bunch of guys, which is the worst trait you could possess, IMO, when pitching in critical situations.


Sorry, my bad. I should have got it. Musta been the 5th scotch and soda....

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Gorzo got away with a lot of walks last night but Bob Walk (sorry about that) always preaches about them as mortal sins which destroy pitchers. Gorzo has on many occassions also stated that walks are killers.

I don't mean to take this off track, but while I totally agree that walks are terrible for pitchers, what I don't understand is why people don't turn that logic around and say that they are great for hitters. Why be so dismissive of a batter taking walks when they are clearly so harmful to pitchers?

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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:27 am 
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Willton wrote:
Why be so dismissive of a batter taking walks when they are clearly so harmful to pitchers?


Great question. I love hitters taking BBs so I'm exempt from answering, but I'll be curious to see what kind of responses you get. If any.................


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 Post subject: Re: 6-24-08 New York Yankees at Pirates
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Yeah people act like hitters taking walks is a bad thing.I disagree also.
I think it good for a hitter to take a walk , but because if you come to the plate 2-2 on the night and you take a walk you still walk away 2-2 but people act like thats a bad thing.
I think going 2-2 with a walk is just as good as going 3-3 in a game.


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