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 Post subject: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:45 pm 
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Pittsburgh
Mc Louth - cf
Sanchez - 2b
Bay - lf
Doumit - c
Nady - rf
La Roche - 1b
Bautista - 3b
Gomez - ss
Gorzelanny - p

New York

Reyes - ss
Castillo - 2b
Wright - 3b
Beltran - cf
Church - rf
Delgado - 1b
Pagan - lf
Molina - c
Perez - p


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:19 pm 
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Why the delay? MLB.com refers to it as "other" as opposed to rain, snow, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:22 pm 
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No. 9 wrote:
Why the delay? MLB.com refers to it as "other" as opposed to rain, snow, etc.


The water is not flowing at Shea. I think there was a water main break. 1:50 is the new start time.


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:46 pm 
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Ollie wrote:
Pittsburgh
Mc Louth - cf
Sanchez - 2b
Bay - lf
Doumit - c
Nady - rf
La Roche - 1b
Bautista - 3b
Gomez - ss
Gorzelanny - p

New York

Reyes - ss
Castillo - 2b
Wright - 3b
Beltran - cf
Church - rf
Delgado - 1b
Pagan - lf
Molina - c
Perez - p


Anyone actually see the game last night? I'm wondering how Gomez looked at short. I'm very glad to see him at short again today.

If he can handle the fielding there, I'd much rather see him in there than Bixler. I don't see much in Bixler that makes me believe he's part of the team's future, and he certainly doesn't help them win now. To me, he's the worst of both worlds.


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Holy Cats![b][color=#000000] Ollie has walked four batters in one inning of work.

Gorzo is batting with the bases loaded and nobody out. Hmm..
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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Deja vu. I've seen this version of Ollie Perez before.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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And . . . he's out of the game. Sorry Ollie, tough day for one of your favorites. I'm betting that he was pretty charged up to go against his former team and that affected his control.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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LaRoche to make 2 outs in an inning???? Say it ain't so Joe.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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How happy is LaRoche that he walked? :)

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Perez seems to have either amazing games or horrible games. He appears to rarely have a normal 6 inning, 3-run outing. I guess we caught him on a bad day.

I still wish we didn't throw him in the Nady-Hernandez deal.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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What a great play by Doumit to make it to 2nd after getting caught in the pickle. This is why I miss him in the line-up.


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Who scored the two touchdowns for the Pirates today?

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Nice spot to get JVB some work in a low pressure situation to get his confidence up. Will we see Meek for the 8th and 9th?


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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I had almost forgotten that Meek was even on the team.


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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burghermeister wrote:
Nice spot to get JVB some work in a low pressure situation to get his confidence up. Will we see Meek for the 8th and 9th?


So let it be written; so let it be done. Meek's in after JR let JVB bat for himself to close out the 7th. Best bat left on the bench, I guess.....


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Willton wrote:
Perez seems to have either amazing games or horrible games. He appears to rarely a normal 6 inning, 3-run outing. I guess we caught him on a bad day.

I still wish we didn't throw him in the Nady-Hernandez deal.


I am guessing Mets fans wish that deal never happened.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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Game over. Another 2-hitter for the Buccos albeit with *9* free passes issued. This trib snippet says that Gorzo left with back pain after the 5th. Anyone watching or listening know more about this?


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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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This is the first time Meek has pitched in a game that the Pirates actually won.

Also, this has to be the least impressive 13 - 1 win I have ever seen. How do you walk 9 and still win by 12 runs? Bay, Laroche, and Bautista go 1 - 12? Meek threw 37 pitches and only 17 strikes.

I know I am dwelling on the negative and should be satisified that the Pirates won at all. Just was expecting to see better stats when I looked at the box score.


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Kevin the Bucco wrote:
This is the first time Meek has pitched in a game that the Pirates actually won.

Also, this has to be the least impressive 13 - 1 win I have ever seen. How do you walk 9 and still win by 12 runs? Bay, Laroche, and Bautista go 1 - 12? Meek threw 37 pitches and only 17 strikes.

I know I am dwelling on the negative and should be satisified that the Pirates won at all. Just was expecting to see better stats when I looked at the box score.

I agree with you on the pitching point, but I think you're way off with the hitting.

1. Every starting position player got on base at least once.
2. Your focus on Bay, LaRoche, and Bautista totally missed the fact that each player walked once. Hits are not the only positive things one can do on offense.

When the team records 12 hits and 7 walks, that's a pretty impressive day.

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 Post subject: Re: April 30, 2008 Pirates at New York Mets
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This game exemplifies why I hate the distinction between earned runs and unearned runs. Oliver Perez gave up 7 runs today, but apparantly because of a single error by Luis Castillo, only 2 of them were earned. What a crock. This is why I think ERA can be misleading.

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