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 Post subject: The "Plan" . . . .
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:31 pm 
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Back to this topic again. And, to be blunt, this last round of trades doesn't exactly clear up the picture for next year or for 2011 . . . but it certainly creates competition for jobs and that is a very good thing.

My thoughts on the positions going into Spring Training:

DEFINITE LOCKS:
C - Ryan Doumit
CF - Andrew McCuthchen
3B - Andy LaRoche

DEFINITE MAYBES - COMPETITION:
LF - Lastings Milledge/Garrett Jones/Brandon Moss
RF - Delywn Young/Brandon Moss/Garrett Jones
1B - Garrett Jones/Jeff Clement/Steve Pearch (and I'm being kind to Pearce here; I think he's toast)

WHO THE HELL KNOWS:
SS - Ronny Cedeno/Ramon Vasquez/???? (no way does Bixler fit into the equation)
2B - Delwyn Young/Ramon Vasquez/????

As for starting pitching . . . .

LOCKS TO HAVE A SLOT IN THE ROTATION:
Zach Duke
Paul Maholm
Charlie Morton

CLOSE TO BEING A "LOCK"
Ross Ohlendorf

BATTLING FOR THAT 5th SPOT AND FIRST CALL-UP FROM AAA
Tom Gorzellany
Daniel McCutchen
Brad Lincoln
Jeff Karstens
Phil Doumatrait
Virgil Vasquez (again, being kind, I don't see him being seriously considered)

As for the bullpen . . .
LOCKS
Joel Hanrahan
Evan Meek
Jessie Chavez
Matt Capps

MAYBES
Jeff Karstens (if he isn't a starter)
Phil Doumatrait (if he isn't a starter)

LONG SHOT
John Grabow (why buy a free agent lefty if you can sign him?)

Looking ahead to the offseason . . . the "power positions" have too many competitions for FC and NH to be looking at even middling free agents. Only potential entree into the free agent pool will be for a player at either 2B or SS.

With Tabata and Alvarez likely ready to make the jump at the end of 2010, it makes the positional battles awfully interesting. Alvarez's bat will be in the lineup by September 2010. He will be a starter somewhere on the field in 2011. That means that either LaRoche is not at 3rd base or Jones/Clement is not at 1st base. Probable but less certain than Alvarez is Tabata. More likely than not, Tabata will be knocking on the door to get in. Whoever is playing the corner outfield positions better produce or else Tabata is stepping in.

In my ideal "apologist" world, I'd love to see development next year such that 2011 looks like this:
CF- Andrew McCutchen
3B - Andy LaRoche
RF - Garrett Jones
1B - Pedro Alvarez
C - Ryan Doumit
LF - Lastings Milledge
2B - Delwyn Young
SS - TBD

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:05 pm 
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Good analysis, No. 9. I don't have too much time to digest this but I will add (and this is stolen from someone else on the board, I can't remember who), but Jack Wilson will be a free agent after next season...

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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IA Pirate wrote:
Good analysis, No. 9. I don't have too much time to digest this but I will add (and this is stolen from someone else on the board, I can't remember who), but Jack Wilson will be a free agent after next season...


You know . . . I thought about that when Jack was tearing up on the news . . . the 'ol Mike Williams Shuffle. Wouldn't that be a coup d'etat?

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:14 pm 
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How about Argenis Diaz at short? Is he even close to ready?


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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jaybee24 wrote:
How about Argenis Diaz at short? Is he even close to ready?


If he learns how to use the wood stick...

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:33 pm 
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No. 9 wrote:
Back to this topic again. And, to be blunt, this last round of trades doesn't exactly clear up the picture for next year or for 2011 . . . but it certainly creates competition for jobs and that is a very good thing.

My thoughts on the positions going into Spring Training:

DEFINITE LOCKS:
C - Ryan Doumit
CF - Andrew McCuthchen
3B - Andy LaRoche

DEFINITE MAYBES - COMPETITION:
LF - Lastings Milledge/Garrett Jones/Brandon Moss
RF - Delywn Young/Brandon Moss/Garrett Jones
1B - Garrett Jones/Jeff Clement/Steve Pearch (and I'm being kind to Pearce here; I think he's toast)

WHO THE HELL KNOWS:
SS - Ronny Cedeno/Ramon Vasquez/???? (no way does Bixler fit into the equation)
2B - Delwyn Young/Ramon Vasquez/????

As for starting pitching . . . .

LOCKS TO HAVE A SLOT IN THE ROTATION:
Zach Duke
Paul Maholm
Charlie Morton

CLOSE TO BEING A "LOCK"
Ross Ohlendorf

BATTLING FOR THAT 5th SPOT AND FIRST CALL-UP FROM AAA
Tom Gorzellany
Daniel McCutchen
Brad Lincoln
Jeff Karstens
Phil Doumatrait
Virgil Vasquez (again, being kind, I don't see him being seriously considered)

As for the bullpen . . .
LOCKS
Joel Hanrahan
Evan Meek
Jessie Chavez
Matt Capps

MAYBES
Jeff Karstens (if he isn't a starter)
Phil Doumatrait (if he isn't a starter)

LONG SHOT
John Grabow (why buy a free agent lefty if you can sign him?)

Looking ahead to the offseason . . . the "power positions" have too many competitions for FC and NH to be looking at even middling free agents. Only potential entree into the free agent pool will be for a player at either 2B or SS.

With Tabata and Alvarez likely ready to make the jump at the end of 2010, it makes the positional battles awfully interesting. Alvarez's bat will be in the lineup by September 2010. He will be a starter somewhere on the field in 2011. That means that either LaRoche is not at 3rd base or Jones/Clement is not at 1st base. Probable but less certain than Alvarez is Tabata. More likely than not, Tabata will be knocking on the door to get in. Whoever is playing the corner outfield positions better produce or else Tabata is stepping in.

In my ideal "apologist" world, I'd love to see development next year such that 2011 looks like this:
CF- Andrew McCutchen
3B - Andy LaRoche
RF - Garrett Jones
1B - Pedro Alvarez
C - Ryan Doumit
LF - Lastings Milledge
2B - Delwyn Young
SS - TBD

That's pretty much how I see it playing out, except I'd have Tabata in right because Garrett Jones will be platooning in right with Jose Guillen in Kansas City by then. I'm pretty much convinced that Jones is the next Shane Spencer.

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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I love it No.9
That is pretty much everything i was thinking but didn't have the patience to write it. Only things now are the players that were traded today wont be playing for us and it seems everybody is forgetting about Tabata now.


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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Colin21 wrote:
Only things now are the players that were traded today wont be playing for us and it seems everybody is forgetting about Tabata now.

I have been keeping an eye on Tabata. He is hitting well, drawing some walks, but his HR totals are down. He has hit just 2 so far this year.

He projects to a guy who should be able to drive the ball out of the park. I am hopeful that he continues to hit .300, have an OBP of about .375, while beginning to hit some HR's.


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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Bucfan wrote:
Colin21 wrote:
Only things now are the players that were traded today wont be playing for us and it seems everybody is forgetting about Tabata now.

I have been keeping an eye on Tabata. He is hitting well, drawing some walks, but his HR totals are down. He has hit just 2 so far this year.

He projects to a guy who should be able to drive the ball out of the park. I am hopeful that he continues to hit .300, have an OBP of about .375, while beginning to hit some HR's.


Yeah it would be nice to see him start nailing some long balls, but i still am happy with him so far this season.


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:21 am 
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sisyphus wrote:
That's pretty much how I see it playing out, except I'd have Tabata in right because Garrett Jones will be platooning in right with Jose Guillen in Kansas City by then. I'm pretty much convinced that Jones is the next Shane Spencer.


I'm knocking on wood, just in case.

Of course, considering that KC recently traded for Yuni Betancourt, maybe we can convince them to trade us Grienke for Jones, Duke and Capps! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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Tabata is young, his power will come.


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
Tabata is young, his power will come.

If he is a good hitter, with high BA and control of the strike zone, then power would make him a superior hitter. But even if he hits just 10-12 HR's per year, he will be an offensive improvement over Moss, et al. if he hits .300 and has an OBP of .375.


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 Post subject: Re: The "Plan" . . . .
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Bucfan wrote:
Az Bucco fan wrote:
Tabata is young, his power will come.

If he is a good hitter, with high BA and control of the strike zone, then power would make him a superior hitter. But even if he hits just 10-12 HR's per year, he will be an offensive improvement over Moss, et al. if he hits .300 and has an OBP of .375.


If the Pirates were offered a AA pitcher or infielder, , and had to give up 1 outfielder between Pearce, Moss, and Tabata, who would the trading partner take back, if they had their choice of 1 of the 3?.
I say it would be unanimous, Tabata would go.
Even with all their UPSIDE, no GM, even the fool from Kc would take the current 2, that wastes space on the ML roster.
What does that say about these 2 mopes?
Exactly, they are useless, and are robbing potential major league players from getting a fair shot.
Right now, i would take Clement over Moss and Pearce, and give him the Ab's.
At least he has had some major league success, unlike Heckle and Jeckle.


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