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 Post subject: Is NH a broken record?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:11 am 
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NH states,

On Alderson: "He's a young pitcher that we are very excited about. He has quality upside, he's a quality athlete and has terrific aptitude physically and mentally.


With all the recent pitching acquisitions the team has received in this plethora of trades, and the recent draft, why is this always the same description ?. Every time, NH gives the press the same line for pretty much every guy .
Is Neil reading from a script?, or is he just too busy telling SMJ what to say to the press, concerning the state of the team.
Russell is a puppet, and not a smart one, so he must be time consuming to train.
A monkey driving a motorcycle would take less time, then explaining to SMJ who is going to be on the team friday, and what position they are playing. I am sure NH gives SMJ the benefit of the doubt, and let's him make out the lineup card, but THAT's IT!!!!

I am sure NH patted the announcing Tandem, especially Wehner, from pretty much keeping the boner in his pants, while speaking of the great catch the team got in return from Wednesday's deals. He sounded excited, just glad he didn't prove it in front of the camera(or even on it).
Curious too see what Walk's key's to the game (sponsored by the new slot parlor) is going to be when the Pirates kick off the big , season defining homestand.

Does Lastings finally get the call up, 2 weeks overdue?. Well, i am sure Walkie is scratching his scrodum , searching for his latest sales pitch.
Hey Bob, save your brain and that tube of Hydro cortisone cream.
Milledge is going to give his former team a BAD BEAT?
That would work out just fine
Incorporate a poker term, with baseball, as a shill pitch man for a CASINO, where you cannot even PLAY poker.
Why is a room loaded with pretty JOKER POKER machines get classified as a casino?.
Must be a Pa thing.

I know he reads this board on a nightly basis.
If so, it's all yours, WALKIE !!!!!!!!!!, you can take the credit for it.
I can give you plenty more, seems like yours are running out of steam. Time to REBUY!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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What do you expect him to say? That Tim Alderson is NOT a young pitcher, we're not very excited about his potential?
You can be negative about this team all you want, but for the first time in a long time I'm excited to be a Pirates fan.
Continue your crying now, Eeyore...


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:31 am 
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JimY wrote:
What do you expect him to say? That Tim Alderson is NOT a young pitcher, we're not very excited about his potential?
You can be negative about this team all you want, but for the first time in a long time I'm excited to be a Pirates fan.
Continue your crying now, Eeyore...



Just thought a former batting champ, good defensive infielder would fetch a little more than a AA pitcher.

All these reports i have been reading about this guys recent work is not too encouraging.
I guess we shall just wait and see.

I would like to see this guy Clement on the team, sooner than later though, and play 1st base.

Could the Pirates finally have acquired the real Lefty Mc Thump?, the locals have been crying for?

I have seen him catch with the M's, and i didn't think he did a bad job behind the plate.

Never saw him around 1st base, but word is Perry Hill is gonna have a lot of sleepless nights working with Clement at 1st, and Delwyn Young at 2nd.
Just realized the Pirates have only 2 opening day positon players Laroche and Doumit, on the team. I don't count Moss, because he is not a starter , nor should he be thought as one. He is filler, and hopefully his ab's will decrease throughout the remainder of this season.
I guess Nh sures knows how to turn over a roster.
Will there ever be another Pirate player to be on the team more than 4 consecutive seasons? Probably not for a long , long, time. Or at the least , until a new owner, who wants to spend a little cash takes over.


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JimY wrote:
What do you expect him to say? That Tim Alderson is NOT a young pitcher, we're not very excited about his potential?
You can be negative about this team all you want, but for the first time in a long time I'm excited to be a Pirates fan.
Continue your crying now, Eeyore...


Well i don't have anything against you palushock, but he called you Eeyore so i had to bring an image. Sorry it is small, it got screwed up when i made it bigger.
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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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palushock wrote:

Just thought a former batting champ, good defensive infielder would fetch a little more than a AA pitcher.

All these reports i have been reading about this guys recent work is not too encouraging.


Show us these reports, por favor.


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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BBF wrote:
palushock wrote:

Just thought a former batting champ, good defensive infielder would fetch a little more than a AA pitcher.

All these reports i have been reading about this guys recent work is not too encouraging.


Show us these reports, por favor.

Here is 1 from baseball prospectus,

One pitcher with numbers that are impossible to argue with is Giants righty Tim Alderson. After leading the California League in ERA during his full-season debut last year, the 20-year-old has a 2.36 ERA in his first nine Eastern League starts for Double-A Connecticut. Scouts still find it difficult to warm up to Alderson, however. "It's not an insult at all, he's a for-sure, big-league starting pitcher for me," said one scout who saw him recently, "but it's strictly back of the rotation for me," he added, while explaining that Alderson's backwards style of pitching is not one that is usually conducive to major league success. "That plus breaking ball is his calling card, and he's a guy with plus-plus control and average command, but he can't pitch off his fringy fastball, and you don't really see many changeups out of him

And another from Fox sports,
Alderson, 20, has had success since his in-season promotion to Class AA, going 6-1 with a 3.47 ERA in 13 starts. Alderson was San Francisco's first-round pick in 2007, the same year Pittsburgh infamously selected Daniel Moskos rather than star catcher Matt Wieters.

One general manager, though, isn't impressed with Alderson, calling him "overrated" and saying, "They had a long list of untouchables, and he wasn't on it."

In their news release announcing the move, the Pirates happily reported that they now have four of the top 75 prospects in baseball, as ranked by Baseball America entering the season: Pedro Alvarez (12), Alderson (45), Gorkys Hernandez (62) and Jose Tabata

Not that i believe everything these scouts/gm blowhards have to say, but Alderson is not a sure fire thing, by any stretch of the imagination.
He is only 20/21 though, so i will give him the benefit of the doubt, and hopefully he will be a cog in the well oiled championship machine, coming to Pnc Park, in 2011.


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:11 pm 
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palushock - the guy is doing extremely well in AA (6-1, 3.47 ERA, 72 innings, just 14 walks, and just 5 HR's allowed) at age 20. I researched the Eastern League, where our own Altoona plays, and learned that Alderson would be tied for 6th in the league in ERA if he had enough innings to qualify. He is short just a few innings ...

And among the league leaders in ERA in the Eastern League, the ages of those who would be ahead of him or tied with Alderson are the following: 21, 23, 23, 25, 24, and 21. In other words, among the league leaders in ERA, he would be the youngest.

And relative to his control, he is one of just 7 pitchers in the Eastern League with at least 70 IP and 20 walks or less. (Alderson is way below that with just 14 walks, but I am being generous.) The other 6 are ages 21, 24, 24, 24 [former Altoona starter Brad Lincoln], 24, and 19.

Who is the 19-year old? Madison Bumgarner, another Giant prospect who is deemed a top-flight, top-of-the-rotation guy because he is succeeding at such a young age, at such a high level, with such good control.

The link to the Eastern League pitching stats:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... it&lid=113


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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He walked 4 guys in 80 plus innings his Sr. year in HS. Control is not an issue with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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I like the player , Alderson, though i am always sceptical of pitchers that have vicious mechanics while throwing the ball.

It seems to have worked pretty well for him, so far, and i have not uncovered any evidence that he has had any type of arm problems so far in his career.

I just passed on some of the info that I read, it's not my opinion, since i have never seen the man pitch.
Nor have i combed through his stats, even though what pops out in what little i panned through , is the lack of K's.
The opinion's of most scouts can be taken alot of times with a grain of salt.
You can have 1 guy labeled as the next Pujols, and another scout would describe the same player as another Mark Johnson.
You never really know until they succeed first in AAA, and then at the majors.

I guess if this guy, Alderson is actually on the team sometime in 2010, and is gonna contribute positively,then the trade will be acceptable, and yes, possibly a steal, for the black and gold.

I just wish 1 more player could have came back this way, and we could have dumped 1 guy off the 40 man roster, like Pearce or Moss.
That would have killed 2 birds with one stone, since neither are going to be core players when this team is good.
But with Alderson, and possibly a guy like John Bowker(who i always liked as a hitter) , they could really be a good thing to have on the team, when the year of atonement,2011 finally arrives.


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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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palushock wrote:
I like the player , Alderson, though i am always sceptical of pitchers that have vicious mechanics while throwing the ball.

The Youtube clip that Az posted does not show a "max effort" delivery. I believe that you are wrong in opining that he has "vicious" mechanics. (I presume that you mean to say that his delivery is very aggressive, frequently referred to as a "max effort" like Lincecum.)

Alderson is 6'6" tall, and can deliver the ball with velocity without max effort. That is the reason that a lot of teams prefer taller pitchers.


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Here is another clip of his delivery, from June 16, 2009. He has a bit of a funky delivery in terms of what he does with his front leg, but he is very smooth and even with his balance, upper body, stride, landing and delivery.



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 Post subject: Re: Is NH a broken record?
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Bucfan wrote:
palushock wrote:
I like the player , Alderson, though i am always sceptical of pitchers that have vicious mechanics while throwing the ball.

The Youtube clip that Az posted does not show a "max effort" delivery. I believe that you are wrong in opining that he has "vicious" mechanics. (I presume that you mean to say that his delivery is very aggressive, frequently referred to as a "max effort" like Lincecum.)

Alderson is 6'6" tall, and can deliver the ball with velocity without max effort. That is the reason that a lot of teams prefer taller pitchers.


Would have liked it alot more if it was a 2 for 2.
Bowker has a clue at the plate, unlike Moss and or Pearce. He is now blocked in Sf, so another Jones, could have been there for the taking.
He is lefty stick and a decent 1st basemen, in the times i have seen him over there. Not much of an arm in left, again, in the times i have seen him play.
Getting rid of 1 of those 2 would have been Addition by subtraction, but the trading season's not over yet!!
I want this Alderson to do well, cause i liked Freddie Sanchez, and hopefully the Pirates didn't give him away for another Ryan Vogelsong.
You gotta realize over the course of the last couple of decades , the Giants have had the Pirates number, concerning trades. It's Karma, and here's hoping it starts to turn in the Pirates favor, for once.
Name 1 trade with this team(giants) , where the Pirates got the better of the deal, even looking at the deal 2 years later.
Dump or trade Pearce and /or Moss.
Bring up Clement to play 1st, 2 starts a week behind the plate, and maybe some time in the outfield
Has Clement ever played 3rd base?, if so, that would be a great help, as Andy continues to hit like Adam.
Sept.1, call up Tabata, and let him play RF for the entire month.
If Jones is still hitting, he gets his ab's , whether in RF, LF or 1st base.
If not, he just takes Hinske's roll to finish the season. Come february, 2010, they all get together in Brandenton , and sort it out, once again.
The competition should be awesome in ST, where all the young guys who are penciled in as starters, are pushed by younger guys, who want to be on the Ml roster.
Better days are a coming, so i am told!


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