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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:33 pm 
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Also, if he's such a fantastic backup catcher, why is this Chavez kid getting more starts than him?


Chavez is anything but a kid, he's 35 or 36...He could possibly have a son playing high school ball somewhere...if he has kids

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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:40 pm 
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Chris Gomez is hitting .318, and is a serviceable utility hitter. I think it may benefit Freddy to sit and rest for a series, take a break, and get himself collected and at full strength again. Gomez can fill the gap for 3-4 games, and then Freddy could come back with a renewed sense of energy.

When Doumit is healthy, he should come back and take over the catching position. I totally believe that it is his turn to show us what he has. His OPS in '07 was .813, and his OPS in '08 is .955. I really don't think this is a fluke.

As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long. However, I do believe he could easily emerge as a solid fixture in the Pirates infield at the 1B spot. Neil Walker, however, is the one I am worried about. He has a rough time in Indianapolis. And, his replacement at 3B just got drafted.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:05 am 
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Boocock wrote:

As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long. .


Huh?

He's not spent 1/2 a season there yet, including last year.

How about, he's not ready for MLB pitching.

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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:41 am 
Boocock wrote:
Chris Gomez is hitting .318, and is a serviceable utility hitter. I think it may benefit Freddy to sit and rest for a series, take a break, and get himself collected and at full strength again. Gomez can fill the gap for 3-4 games, and then Freddy could come back with a renewed sense of energy.

When Doumit is healthy, he should come back and take over the catching position. I totally believe that it is his turn to show us what he has. His OPS in '07 was .813, and his OPS in '08 is .955. I really don't think this is a fluke.

As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long. However, I do believe he could easily emerge as a solid fixture in the Pirates infield at the 1B spot. Neil Walker, however, is the one I am worried about. He has a rough time in Indianapolis. And, his replacement at 3B just got drafted.



What? How does a player get in a slump for staying in one level for "so long." For one thing, he hasn't even played a full year in AAA so your point has no credibility. But even if he had been at AAA for 3 years, how does that put you in a slump? If anything, the longer a player is at a level, the more productive he should be ... a player should slowly master the inferior pitching.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:43 am 
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The Pirates are scoring 4.9 runs per game, which is pretty good, but allowing 5.4, which is terrible.

Clearly the focus has to be on pitching and defense right now, hence the decision to play Chavez over Paulino. I expect Paulino to be sent down. He's an adequate backup but that's about it.

I agree that LaRoche is not the firstbaseman of the future, but now is not the time to bench him in favor of Pearce. He will start hitting eventually. He always does. And Pearce has not yet earned a promotion.

I have my doubts about Pearce being the first baseman of the future as well, but we have to see how this plays out. Maybe Bay or Nady, or Grabow or Marte, brings some more options come July.

Maybe a spell at Indy will turn things around for Paulino. It seemed to work out for guys like Jay Bell and Jeff King.


Not that Bell or King are hall of famers, but Ronnie Paulino is no Jeff King or Jay Bell. I think he's basically done in a Pirates uniform (unless injuries, etc.)


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:45 am 
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Elmer wrote:
Also, if he's such a fantastic backup catcher, why is this Chavez kid getting more starts than him?


Chavez is anything but a kid, he's 35 or 36...He could possibly have a son playing high school ball somewhere...if he has kids


You are right. I shouldn't call him a kid. I should have said, " ... why is this Chavez GUY getting more starts"

My mistake doesn't change my overall point, though. In fact it enforces it. If Paulino is such a "fantastic" backup catcher, why is he now in AAA with a journeyman in Pittsburgh backing up Doumit.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:28 am 
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Boocock wrote:
As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long.

Maybe that's Laroche's problem as well....


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:13 pm 
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As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long.

Maybe that's Laroche's problem as well....


Ha! Goodone Burghermeister.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:10 pm 
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What I meant by the Pearce thing was that, because he was moving so quickly through each level, pitchers never got used to Pearce, and Pearce was just going on a tear. Now that pitchers get to see him on a more consistent basis, they are causing him grief. Eventually, he will get better. That's what I meant.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:18 pm 
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Boocock wrote:
Chris Gomez is hitting .318, and is a serviceable utility hitter. I think it may benefit Freddy to sit and rest for a series, take a break, and get himself collected and at full strength again. Gomez can fill the gap for 3-4 games, and then Freddy could come back with a renewed sense of energy.

When Doumit is healthy, he should come back and take over the catching position. I totally believe that it is his turn to show us what he has. His OPS in '07 was .813, and his OPS in '08 is .955. I really don't think this is a fluke.

As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long. However, I do believe he could easily emerge as a solid fixture in the Pirates infield at the 1B spot. Neil Walker, however, is the one I am worried about. He has a rough time in Indianapolis. And, his replacement at 3B just got drafted.

Pearce showed up at Indy this year with exactly 131 plate appearances at the AAA level, so I can't buy the stagnation theory.

I wouldn't start worrying about Walker just yet. He's only 22 years old at AAA. There is still plenty of time for him to get straightened out. If Walker and Alvarez both hit the Pirates won't have any trouble finding positions for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
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Elmer wrote:
Boocock wrote:
Chris Gomez is hitting .318, and is a serviceable utility hitter. I think it may benefit Freddy to sit and rest for a series, take a break, and get himself collected and at full strength again. Gomez can fill the gap for 3-4 games, and then Freddy could come back with a renewed sense of energy.

When Doumit is healthy, he should come back and take over the catching position. I totally believe that it is his turn to show us what he has. His OPS in '07 was .813, and his OPS in '08 is .955. I really don't think this is a fluke.

As for Pearce, he may be having a slump from having to stay at one level for so long. However, I do believe he could easily emerge as a solid fixture in the Pirates infield at the 1B spot. Neil Walker, however, is the one I am worried about. He has a rough time in Indianapolis. And, his replacement at 3B just got drafted.



What? How does a player get in a slump for staying in one level for "so long." For one thing, he hasn't even played a full year in AAA so your point has no credibility. But even if he had been at AAA for 3 years, how does that put you in a slump? If anything, the longer a player is at a level, the more productive he should be ... a player should slowly master the inferior pitching.

I don't think it's happening to Pearce, but players have been known to stagnate if they spend a long time at one level. Perhaps they're pressing, thinking that they have to do more to gain a promotion, but it does happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
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Elmer wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Ralphie wrote:
The Pirates are scoring 4.9 runs per game, which is pretty good, but allowing 5.4, which is terrible.

Clearly the focus has to be on pitching and defense right now, hence the decision to play Chavez over Paulino. I expect Paulino to be sent down. He's an adequate backup but that's about it.

I agree that LaRoche is not the firstbaseman of the future, but now is not the time to bench him in favor of Pearce. He will start hitting eventually. He always does. And Pearce has not yet earned a promotion.

I have my doubts about Pearce being the first baseman of the future as well, but we have to see how this plays out. Maybe Bay or Nady, or Grabow or Marte, brings some more options come July.

Maybe a spell at Indy will turn things around for Paulino. It seemed to work out for guys like Jay Bell and Jeff King.


Not that Bell or King are hall of famers, but Ronnie Paulino is no Jeff King or Jay Bell. I think he's basically done in a Pirates uniform (unless injuries, etc.)

Could be. I'm not a big Paulino fan either, but he has already had a season better than any that Bell or King put up before their demotions. I think that Paulino has the potential to hit about .270 with 20 HRs. I'm not optimistic that he'll ever fulfill that potential, though. He seems to be totally set in his ways, and there are changes he'd need to make to get those numbers.

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 Post subject: Re: Pearce moving back to 1B again
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:43 pm 
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Could be. I'm not a big Paulino fan either, but he has already had a season better than any that Bell or King put up before their demotions. I think that Paulino has the potential to hit about .270 with 20 HRs. I'm not optimistic that he'll ever fulfill that potential, though. He seems to be totally set in his ways, and there are changes he'd need to make to get those numbers.


Paulino can live off of his one good season for only so long.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:38 pm 
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Elmer wrote:
sisyphus wrote:
Could be. I'm not a big Paulino fan either, but he has already had a season better than any that Bell or King put up before their demotions. I think that Paulino has the potential to hit about .270 with 20 HRs. I'm not optimistic that he'll ever fulfill that potential, though. He seems to be totally set in his ways, and there are changes he'd need to make to get those numbers.


Paulino can live off of his one good season for only so long.

Absolutely. In my opinion, his one good season wasn't really that good either. I think he can be much better than he has been, but whether he'll ever do what he needs to is a mystery to me. I'm not optimistic. I always thought that Jeff King had a much better player hiding inside himself somewhere, but we never got to see him.

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