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 Post subject: Another Mike Brown???
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:29 pm 
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Come on, you fellow old guys. Make the comparison!

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Animal wrote:
Come on, you fellow old guys. Make the comparison!

Who is the new Mike Brown? The old one was an OF'er who played well for 50 games after being obtained via trade from the Angels, and then completely flamed out.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Bucfan wrote:
Animal wrote:
Come on, you fellow old guys. Make the comparison!

Who is the new Mike Brown? The old one was an OF'er who played well for 50 games after being obtained via trade from the Angels, and then completely flamed out.



Brandon Moss, to a small degree??

After some really great years in the minors, the RF was acquired in a big multi-player trade in 1985. Brown went on to hit .332 with 5 HR and 33 RBI in just 200 at bats. OPS was .903.

He subsequently went on to hit .218 the following year in a half season, and subsequently demoted to minors, then released by the Bucs. But not to fear, we still had Bob "Round Tripper" Kipper left from the trade!

Brown subsequently blamed the Pirate organist...saying he had a bad game every time he heard "that song". That song was the National Anthem!

Let's hope the similarities stop!

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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I would think Garrett Jones to be much more likely to flame out.

Wouldn't Moss have to be on fire before he could flame out?


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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I hate to say this animal but my guess is Brandon Moss. :o


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
I hate to say this animal but my guess is Brandon Moss. :o

Just throwing it out there...not that I think Moss is going to bust like that.....but just trying to make some conversation and discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Animal, weren't you the one arguing that Moss was the better prospect than Milledge? I am confused...


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Piratefan13 wrote:
Animal, weren't you the one arguing that Moss was the better prospect than Milledge? I am confused...

:lol:

And Moss never had great Major League success so there is no comparision to Jones. BBF is right.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Everybody can be a big Garrett Jones fan now, but i remember awhile back i was saying bring up Garrett Jones and there were some of you saying bring up Steve Pearce.
Just thought i would let that sink in ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Colin21 wrote:
Everybody can be a big Garrett Jones fan now, but i remember awhile back i was saying bring up Garrett Jones and there were some of you saying bring up Steve Pearce.
Just thought i would let that sink in ;)


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I'll still put my reputation on the line and say that Jones is NOT going to sustain any sort of success. It's great that he is doing well now, but by next season he will not be much more than a footnote.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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BBF wrote:
Colin21 wrote:
Everybody can be a big Garrett Jones fan now, but i remember awhile back i was saying bring up Garrett Jones and there were some of you saying bring up Steve Pearce.
Just thought i would let that sink in ;)


Colin-

I'll still put my reputation on the line and say that Jones is NOT going to sustain any sort of success. It's great that he is doing well now, but by next season he will not be much more than a footnote.


I'm not counting on him being a great player, but if Jones retired today i think he will have done more than Steve Pearce will do in his career.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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BBF wrote:
Colin-

I'll still put my reputation on the line and say that Jones is NOT going to sustain any sort of success. It's great that he is doing well now, but by next season he will not be much more than a footnote.

I'm with you, BBF. I'll take his production for the time being, but in the long run I have a feeling Garrett Jones is more Shane Spencer than Jack Cust.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Why? Because he was blocked all his career?

What do you see about his approach to hitting that says he will fail?

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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ZelieMike wrote:
Why? Because he was blocked all his career?

What do you see about his approach to hitting that says he will fail?

ZM


He has been lucky with getting pitches down in the strikezone. I want to see how he responds to pitch that he can't golf out of the park before i decide if he is for real or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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ZelieMike wrote:
Why? Because he was blocked all his career?

What do you see about his approach to hitting that says he will fail?

ZM

To me, it's not his approach; it's his history. Jack Cust was a prodigious hitter throughout his career in the minors; Garret Jones was not. It is highly unusual that players suddenly learn how to get on base at age 28 when they could not in the past.

I'm not saying that Jones will not remain a productive player; I'm saying it's not likely that he will remain a productive player. However, the Pirates will likely give him all the time he needs to prove one or the other.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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ZelieMike wrote:
Why? Because he was blocked all his career?

What do you see about his approach to hitting that says he will fail?

ZM

Throughout his minor league career, his power has never really compensated for his lack of contact skills or plate discipline. And at age 28, I wouldn't really expect him to morph into a different kind of hitter, as Wilton's already pointed out.

Remember Chris Shelton's start with the Tigers a few years ago? That's what I'm seeing here.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Colin21 wrote:
He has been lucky with getting pitches down in the strikezone. I want to see how he responds to pitch that he can't golf out of the park before i decide if he is for real or not.

(1) Umpires call those pitches strikes. Pitchers are trained to throw down in the strike zone. Pitches up in the zone are not usually called strikes, unless by "up" you mean thigh-high or belt-high. I suspect that Jones can crush those pitches as well.

(2) He can therefore lay off pitches above the belt. When he gets his pitch, down in the zone, he can hit it.

It is a much different scenario when a hitter cannot hit the pitch, down and away. The guy will get a ton of those pitches and if he struggles with it, he is destined to fail.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Bucfan wrote:
Colin21 wrote:
He has been lucky with getting pitches down in the strikezone. I want to see how he responds to pitch that he can't golf out of the park before i decide if he is for real or not.

(1) Umpires call those pitches strikes. Pitchers are trained to throw down in the strike zone. Pitches up in the zone are not usually called strikes, unless by "up" you mean thigh-high or belt-high. I suspect that Jones can crush those pitches as well.

(2) He can therefore lay off pitches above the belt. When he gets his pitch, down in the zone, he can hit it.

It is a much different scenario when a hitter cannot hit the pitch, down and away. The guy will get a ton of those pitches and if he struggles with it, he is destined to fail.


Yeah not being able to hit a pitch down and away should be titled The LaRoche.
Pitchers seem to be having trouble with Jones though because how you are taught to pitch he crushes. He has hit it low and inside, and low and outside. I think his weak spots will be found towards the upper half of the strikezone( from the top of the pants to the mid-point of the hitter).


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 Post subject: Re: Another Mike Brown???
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Piratefan13 wrote:
Animal, weren't you the one arguing that Moss was the better prospect than Milledge? I am confused...


A couple things...I don't believe I ever said Moss was better, just that Milledge was no better, and that they were very close. Their career numbers are pretty similar.

Second, I am not saying that I think Moss will be the next Mike Brown, just that there appears to be some similarities and some fans think it could go that way.

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