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 Post subject: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:03 pm 
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Really I am sick of you ripping on Lastings Milledge trying to give everyone a negative impression on him. You started this crusade on milledge by giving behavior problems that were in fact his teamate Elijah Dukes. You say in every mention of Milledge about how you do not want him to succed and do not want him in Pittsburgh.
I made this thread after your moronic statement of claiming Moss is a better prospect then Milledge.
Moss- 25 for another 2 months.
Moss Stats
167 534 484 54 122 32 6 11 58 1 4 41 119 .252 .313 .411 .724
Milledge - 24 for another 9 months.
Milledge MLB stats.
Games AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA
Career 260 897 107 234 40 5 25 113 29 .261

Milledge is almost 2 years younger, has more hits, steals, homeruns, stolen bases, higher ops, and is not reached potential. He has played over 100 more games then Moss.
So how is Moss the better prospect?

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:22 pm 
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Thank you for trying to be a little more civil. The "moronic" statement is still a little strong.

I tend to agree with you that Milledge is a better prospect that Moss. Comparing the # of hits, steals, HR's, etc is a bit sketchy since there is such a difference in the number of ABs between the players. It is best to use the rate at which these instances have occurred. Those numbers still support your (our) argument.

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Player Name Bavg Obp Slg OPS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HR 2B R RBI SB
Brandon Moss .252 .313 .411 724 167 484 54 122 32 6 11 58 1 4 41 119 0.07 0.19 0.32 0.35 0.01
Lastings Milledge .261 .326 .400 726 260 897 107 234 40 5 25 113 29 13 64 187 0.10 0.15 0.41 0.43 0.11

Milledge is better in BA, OBP, HR rate, Runs rate, RBI rate and exponentially better in SB's. He also has struck out at a lower rate than Moss, but not significantly. Since Milledge is younger, I think that these numbers are even more pronounced.


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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:26 pm 
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Chris Anderson wrote:
Thank you for trying to be a little more civil. The "moronic" statement is still a little strong.

I tend to agree with you that Milledge is a better prospect that Moss. Comparing the # of hits, steals, HR's, etc is a bit sketchy since there is such a difference in the number of ABs between the players. It is best to use the rate at which these instances have occurred. Those numbers still support your (our) argument.

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Career Statistics
Player Name         Bavg Obp  Slg OPS   G  AB   R   H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB  CS  BB  SO 
Brandon Moss       .252 .313 .411 724 167 484  54 122   32  6  11   58   1   4  41 119 
Lastings Milledge  .261 .326 .400 726 260 897 107 234   40  5  25  113  29  13  64 187

Milledge is better in BA, OBP, HR rate, Runs rate, RBI rate and exponentially better in SB's. He also has struck out at a lower rate than Moss, but not significantly. Since Milledge is younger, I think that these numbers are even more pronounced.

That should help you all be able to read the statistics.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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Chris Anderson wrote:
Thank you for trying to be a little more civil. The "moronic" statement is still a little strong.

I tend to agree with you that Milledge is a better prospect that Moss. Comparing the # of hits, steals, HR's, etc is a bit sketchy since there is such a difference in the number of ABs between the players. It is best to use the rate at which these instances have occurred. Those numbers still support your (our) argument.

Career Statistics
Player Name Bavg Obp Slg OPS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HR 2B R RBI SB
Brandon Moss .252 .313 .411 724 167 484 54 122 32 6 11 58 1 4 41 119 0.07 0.19 0.32 0.35 0.01
Lastings Milledge .261 .326 .400 726 260 897 107 234 40 5 25 113 29 13 64 187 0.10 0.15 0.41 0.43 0.11

Milledge is better in BA, OBP, HR rate, Runs rate, RBI rate and exponentially better in SB's. He also has struck out at a lower rate than Moss, but not significantly. Since Milledge is younger, I think that these numbers are even more pronounced.


Another thing with Milledge is his age when he made the Majors at 21...Pretty young, and still developing...

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:31 pm 
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Willton wrote:
That should help with being able to read the statistics.


Thanks. I tried to balance it out by just spacing, but it didn't translate when the post actually appeared. Perhaps you could PM me how you did that, so I don't look like a dufus whenever posting stats again?


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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:36 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
Really I am sick of you ripping on Lastings Milledge trying to give everyone a negative impression on him. You started this crusade on milledge by giving behavior problems that were in fact his teamate Elijah Dukes. You say in every mention of Milledge about how you do not want him to succed and do not want him in Pittsburgh.
I made this thread after your moronic statement of claiming Moss is a better prospect then Milledge.
Moss- 25 for another 2 months.
Moss Stats
167 534 484 54 122 32 6 11 58 1 4 41 119 .252 .313 .411 .724
Milledge - 24 for another 9 months.
Milledge MLB stats.
Games AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA
Career 260 897 107 234 40 5 25 113 29 .261

Milledge is almost 2 years younger, has more hits, steals, homeruns, stolen bases, higher ops, and is not reached potential. He has played over 100 more games then Moss.
So how is Moss the better prospect?


Okay, now try looking at EVERYTHING...not just just a few hundred at bats. Look at what they did in the minors too. Moss is just as good a prospect as Milledge and has shown more power throughout their entire career.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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Animal wrote:

Okay, now try looking at EVERYTHING...not just just a few hundred at bats. Look at what they did in the minors too. Moss is just as good a prospect as Milledge and has shown more power throughout their entire career.



Still not true. Milledge and Moss have identical HR rates in the minors. Milledge has a higher DBL's rate as well (.28 vs .24) and a slugging percentage of .483 compared to Moss' .460.

Again, Milledge's younger, faster and (while comparable with power #'s) stronger than Moss. This is evidenced through both MLB experience and Minor league numbers. Undoubtedly, Milledge's demons in his closet put significant risk compared to the rather 'boring' Moss, but when you are a team as starved as the Pirates for talent, it is a risk worth taking. Particularly with Moss' general lack of production this year (today's HR notwithstanding).


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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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Here are my thoughts on the Moss/Milledge comparison. Perhaps at one point Moss and Milledge could be considered comparable as prospects as far as hitting is concerned. That is not the case anymore. We've seen enough of Moss to make a pretty educated guess that he is not going to develop any major league power. We have not seen enough of Milledge to make the same determination. Milledge should be called up at the first opportunity the Pirates have to do so, and the likes of Delwyn Young and Brandon Moss should not be considered a roadblock to having Milledge start in left field for the remainder of the year.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:00 pm 
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Animal wrote:
Ryann wrote:
Really I am sick of you ripping on Lastings Milledge trying to give everyone a negative impression on him. You started this crusade on milledge by giving behavior problems that were in fact his teamate Elijah Dukes. You say in every mention of Milledge about how you do not want him to succed and do not want him in Pittsburgh.
I made this thread after your moronic statement of claiming Moss is a better prospect then Milledge.
Moss- 25 for another 2 months.
Moss Stats
167 534 484 54 122 32 6 11 58 1 4 41 119 .252 .313 .411 .724
Milledge - 24 for another 9 months.
Milledge MLB stats.
Games AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA
Career 260 897 107 234 40 5 25 113 29 .261

Milledge is almost 2 years younger, has more hits, steals, homeruns, stolen bases, higher ops, and is not reached potential. He has played over 100 more games then Moss.
So how is Moss the better prospect?


Okay, now try looking at EVERYTHING...not just just a few hundred at bats. Look at what they did in the minors too. Moss is just as good a prospect as Milledge and has shown more power throughout their entire career.


I am not going to dig up those numbers. If you truthfully believe that prove it! :P
It is not true. They have had similiar numbers, but with better speed and obp from Milledge. Milledge is also younger and more room to develop.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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You can't argue with stats, in this comparison, or any dealing with Moss, they are just high upside, bollocks!!!.

If the Moss stats are better in the minors, then isn't that the place he should be?.
Did i read that right, that he has 1 career stolen base?. Wow!

Anyhow,
Due to the Pirates hard line stance on Accountability, Milledge will probably be at AAA until there is an injury, trade, or just an open OUTFIELD spot.
One of the few things i do agree with Walk on is that when he gets called up, he is gonna play, 6 days a week, 4 ab's a game.

Moss had 1 good ab today, which produced a HR. That should be his position on the team, a pinch hitter, defensive outfielder, and a spot starter at 1st base(has he ever played 1 single inning at that spot since he was foolishly acquired)?.
Like i have firmly stated numerous times in the past, Moss is not a consistent run producing major league player, nor will he ever be mistaken for one.


I am quite sure there are quite a few on this board, and close to the club, that do not share my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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What amazes me is Animal didn't reply to this. :lol:

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I have been a Moss supporter, but the time is passing. He gets hot for two days, then cold for two weeks. A club like ours can't afford to have that kind of inconsistency.

I say, bring on Milledge and let's see if his head is on straight now.


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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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I would like to see Young in Right. Milledge in Left. And Jones at first.
Then 2 or 3 times a week put laroche at first and Jones in right.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal...
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If Milledge shows that no hustle shit again, I'm gonna be pissed and hope they trade him immediately. When I saw him slacking on a routine single hit to him....that turned into a double because of his laziness, I was blown away. It looked like something a high school kid with an attitude would do. Just LAME.

Let's hope he uses that talent AND his brain.


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VanSlick wrote:
If Milledge shows that no hustle shit again, I'm gonna be pissed and hope they trade him immediately. When I saw him slacking on a routine single hit to him....that turned into a double because of his laziness, I was blown away. It looked like something a high school kid with an attitude would do. Just LAME.

Let's hope he uses that talent AND his brain.



That is one of my biggest concerns. There is a lot of baggage. There is no need to rush him. Let him prove he can be successful AND a team player at AAA, then we can think about where he might help our ballclub.

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