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 Post subject: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:43 pm 
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I know you love to go on and on about Jason Bay and why the Pirates suck without him.

Guess what?

At this same point last season WITH JASON BAY, we had only won ONE MORE GAME than this team has this year. hhmm.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:46 pm 
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Who was the famous GM that said we can lose with you and we can lose without you.

If someone didn't say it.......I'll take credit for it. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:56 pm 
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That would be Branch Rickey.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:16 pm 
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Thanks Az I thought that's who said it. Do you remember who he said that to? I don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:21 pm 
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He said it to either Duke Snider or Sandy Koufax..both guys were in contentious negotiations back in the day..


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:25 pm 
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I thought it was Ralph Kiner.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:50 pm 
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burghermeister wrote:
I thought it was Ralph Kiner.

You are correct, sir!

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:47 pm 
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VanSlick wrote:
I know you love to go on and on about Jason Bay and why the Pirates suck without him.

Guess what?

At this same point last season WITH JASON BAY, we had only won ONE MORE GAME than this team has this year. hhmm.

Again that is after many other changes. You saying we had one more win this team last year means nothing. With the nady deal we got fine pitchers and young talent. With those pitchers, and the much improved pitching stats the Pirates would be division contenders if they had kept bay. Think of that same lineup with bay out there and jones out there. Wow that would have been a hell of a team.

Yet our gm cracked under pressure and dealt bay Because we would not have been able to resign him with our cheap payroll. Hell, I am fine with trading Bay, but we got a shitty return for him. A mediocre 3rd basemen 2 shitty players and a pitcher that has the odds against him every being a good player he will be mediocre at best. We traded an all star for nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:02 pm 
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Where the hell do you think Andy came from?

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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Substitute2 wrote:
Where the hell do you think Andy came from?


He thinks Andy is a piece of junk, he'd probably prefer having Jose Bautista out there still...

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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So Ryann, you're saying that if we had Bay still in the outfield, we would be in contention?

You sure about that?

This team is not ready to contend, PERIOD. But the talent is gathering, bet on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:07 pm 
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curveradio wrote:
He said it to either Duke Snider or Sandy Koufax..both guys were in contentious negotiations back in the day..


No I am pretty sure it was Ralph Kiner

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:42 pm 
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Bay plus a nice addition would lead us to contention this year. Laroche is mediocre.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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A nice addition....like who?

3 pitchers maybe?

Nothing would be different with Bay and one more bat. You can hit a zillion home runs, but if your pitchers aren't preventing the other team from doing the same, YOU LOSE.

Pitching wins championships and we just aren't there yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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VanSlick wrote:
A nice addition....like who?

3 pitchers maybe?

Nothing would be different with Bay and one more bat. You can hit a zillion home runs, but if your pitchers aren't preventing the other team from doing the same, YOU LOSE.

Pitching wins championships and we just aren't there yet.

And the pitching is pretty good this year. So therefore if you kept your best hitter on your team and maybe added another good 3rd basemen either through trades or signing this team would be a great team.
An outfield of Bay McLouth Morgan to start the year. Then say those other deals fell through still we would have Bay Mccutchen Jones out there now as we would wait for Milledge. Sounds perfect.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:24 pm 
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A "great team"?

You need to make up your mind. One day you think we suck, the next day you think Jason Bay would make us a contender.

This team is FAR from great. The pitching has been pretty good by Pirates standards, but not even close to being good enough to contend.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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The only reason we can even see the division leader in the distance is, the division is weak as a whole.


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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:23 pm 
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You don't care about the Pirates winning.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
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VanSlick wrote:
A nice addition....like who?

3 pitchers maybe?

Nothing would be different with Bay and one more bat. You can hit a zillion home runs, but if your pitchers aren't preventing the other team from doing the same, YOU LOSE.

Pitching wins championships and we just aren't there yet.


Another factor to consider if we still had Bay....all the extra bases taken on just about every ball hit to LF where Bay's defense, particularly his arm, was substandard. This would have let to more runs also.

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 Post subject: Re: Hey Ryann
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:34 pm 
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Ryann wrote:
You don't care about the Pirates winning.


Based on what? The fact that he disagrees with you?

How many days till you go back to school? I suspect this board will be a lot better off when you do.


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