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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:40 am 
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37-44 on pace for 74 wins. That's better but not much. My feeling is that we are a better team this year and certainly the minor leagues are greatly improved, but............... there is reason to complain about our overall lack of success.

Yet my feeling is that we are much improved this season and it seems that the majority of board members are more positive then in the past.

Thoughts at mid-point?

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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:03 pm 
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Substitute2 wrote:
37-44 on pace for 74 wins. That's better but not much. My feeling is that we are a better team this year and certainly the minor leagues are greatly improved, but............... there is reason to complain about our overall lack of success.

Yet my feeling is that we are much improved this season and it seems that the majority of board members are more positive then in the past.

Thoughts at mid-point?


I think they will fare better than that. Take away the 8 game losing streak when half our lineup was out, and we would be around .500. I think this pitching staff keeps us in most games. With Doumit's return, and LaRoche's second half, plus Moss improving, continued improvement from LaRoche the younger, and McCutchen maturing, I think we fare better in second half. I still don't think .500 is out of the question.

Unless of course, they move half the team at the trading deadline.

Unless of course, something happens like Milledge comes up and becomes a distraction.

Unless of course, Doumit gets hurt again.

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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
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I count myself among the optimistic. Our team definitely is better than I can remember in the last few years. Our starting pitching is no longer pathetic and we have more help in that dept. in AAA than we have had in many years. Our bullpen isn't the greatest, but it is mediocre at least.

Our lineup is much improved, but we still do not have enough guys that draw walks and seem patient. We have many positives working for us in our rookies. Most of our new guys profile as starters or decent bench options at the least (not many fringe guys except maybe salazar). The only player not playing up to people's expectations has been Moss, but at least his defense has been solid (I still think he can't hit for @$%# and never will).

I like generally where our front office is headed and things are already looking wayyyyyyyyyy better than even a year ago. That being said, I still don't think we have it all to make a run, but I think many of us think this way still. 2010 or 2011 could be good years for us. Maybe Lincoln will be ready and a few of Tabata/Gorkys/Alvarez.


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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:21 pm 
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urbanexplorer wrote:
I count myself among the optimistic. Our team definitely is better than I can remember in the last few years. Our starting pitching is no longer pathetic and we have more help in that dept. in AAA than we have had in many years. Our bullpen isn't the greatest, but it is mediocre at least.

Our lineup is much improved, but we still do not have enough guys that draw walks and seem patient. We have many positives working for us in our rookies. Most of our new guys profile as starters or decent bench options at the least (not many fringe guys except maybe salazar). The only player not playing up to people's expectations has been Moss, but at least his defense has been solid (I still think he can't hit for @$%# and never will).

I like generally where our front office is headed and things are already looking wayyyyyyyyyy better than even a year ago. That being said, I still don't think we have it all to make a run, but I think many of us think this way still. 2010 or 2011 could be good years for us. Maybe Lincoln will be ready and a few of Tabata/Gorkys/Alvarez.


A lot of bullpens the Pirates have faced in the last month have been bad...I feel better about ours...

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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:20 am 
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I was kicking myself when the season started that i should have carried out with my plan , and lay 5 gs on the team winning over 67 games, with my online sportsbook.

I guess i would be confident, but there still along way to go. If i had the chance today, i would do that bet and bet it OVER. Guess I gotta wait till October to see if i would have been a happy man, or living in my car.


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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:13 pm 
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If you think back to the offseason, the general thinking was that we were going to be terrible, because we had the EXACT SAME TEAM as the one that lost at an astonishing rate after the Jason Bay trade last year.

Well we now what a fallacy that was. Our GM is a regular trader jack who can't go a week without re-shuffling the deck.

Our pitching and pitching depth has without question improved significantly. That includes starters and relievers, major leagues and minors.

We have some decent hitters on the big club, but none at AAA, and we have a glaring lack of power throughout the organization.

I think .500 is virtually out of the question, because the team just never seems to be able to get hot. But I think winning more in the second half than we did in the first is quite possible.

The biggest challenge in the short term is figuring out what to do about first, second, and short. Along with that, Neil has to figure out how to improve the offense without sacrificing too much pitching and defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Half-Way
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:26 pm 
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As for this year, the team has gotten somewhat unlucky. Given their run differential, they should be around .500. And I think that's really good considering the injuries to and departures of the team's stars.

I feel pretty good about the team's future. It's apparent to me that the farm system is in much better shape than a year ago, and as the Pirates will need to build from the bottom up, this is a good sign.


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