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 Post subject: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:47 pm 
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Pirates need to go 5-4 or 6-3 on this trip, that would give them tons of momentum going into the break and probably anywhere from 3-6 games back, all it takes is a 5 or 6 game streak to get them back into the race. Why do fans give up on this season. It is there now for the taking string some minimal streaks together and we will be 3 or 4 out!


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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:09 pm 
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Nope. Season's over — ended yesterday. Didn't you get the memo?

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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:13 pm 
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LtCol Kojak Slaphead wrote:
Nope. Season's over — ended yesterday. Didn't you get the memo?


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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:22 pm 
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Get the memo??? He wrote it!


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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:30 pm 
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DoeyDoumit wrote:
Pirates need to go 5-4 or 6-3 on this trip, that would give them tons of momentum going into the break and probably anywhere from 3-6 games back, all it takes is a 5 or 6 game streak to get them back into the race. Why do fans give up on this season. It is there now for the taking string some minimal streaks together and we will be 3 or 4 out!

Because we know the team isn't any good. There are some good players on the team, but overall this is not a contender. If you were alive and watching the Pirates in 1991 or 1992, you'd know what a contender looks like. This is not that team.

What you don't seem to realize is that there are 5 teams ahead of us in the division. So, in order for these meager goals of going 5-4 or 6-3 to catapult us into contention for the NL Central title, we would have to have all 5 of the teams ahead of us to play much worse. That is highly unlikely to happen. We have an outside shot of reaching .500, but there's no way we'll contend for the NL Central title, especially with the way the Brewers and Cardinals have been playing.

I'm sorry if I'm shattering dreams here, but the reality is that this is a rebuilding year, and its the first honest one they've had.

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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
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Because we know the team isn't any good. There are some good players on the team, but overall this is not a contender. If you were alive and watching the Pirates in 1991 or 1992, you'd know what a contender looks like. This is not that team.


We coulda been contenders, we coulda been somebody instead we are bums.



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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:25 am 
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The Pirates are going to be better than I expected, in large part due to their starting pitching. If and when they can upgrade the 5th spot in the rotation, they will have one of the best starting 5 rotations in the NL.

Maholm - pitchers have some tough outings. We tend to overemphasize a starting pitcher's struggles, because of how much a bad start affects the outcome, but every player has mediocre and downright bad games. Maholm has struggled for the past few weeks, with some good efforts mixed in. He is still a quality starting pitcher, a strike-throwing lefty who can work out of trouble.

Morton - has moved into the number 2 spot, solely because that is where Snell was pitching. He has a plus fastball that he can throw at 95 mph for at least six innings, plus a good curve. If he continues to develop his change, he is going to turn into a legitimate top of the rotation starter.

Duke - throwing strikes, keeping the ball in the park, avoiding walks, getting ground balls. He is on pace for 16 wins and a superior ERA. Pretty good number three guy.

Ohlendorf - another power -armed strike thrower. Doing a good job of throwing strikes. If he can keep the ball in the park, he is going to be a tough customer, particularly for a number 4 starter. He is on pace, by the way, to win 14 games in his first season as a starting pitcher in the majors.

Lincoln, McCutchen, Gorzellany - No disrespect to Virgil Vasquez, who may turn out to be a decent long reliever out of the pen since he pounds the strike zone, but the Pirates are a better team with one of the three big arms in the minors taking over the 5th spot. If one of these three can step up and throw strikes consistently, then the Pirates will have five strike throwing starters, three of whom are legitimate power arms, and all of whom can control a 2-seam consistently enough to get a lot of ground balls.

That rotation is good - very good. Further, the pen is stocked with power arm righties. This pitching staff is going to be darn good.


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 Post subject: Re: Importance of a Good road trip
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:40 am 
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The Pirates are going to be better than I expected, in large part due to their starting pitching. If and when they can upgrade the 5th spot in the rotation, they will have one of the best starting 5 rotations in the NL.

Maholm - pitchers have some tough outings. We tend to overemphasize a starting pitcher's struggles, because of how much a bad start affects the outcome, but every player has mediocre and downright bad games. Maholm has struggled for the past few weeks, with some good efforts mixed in. He is still a quality starting pitcher, a strike-throwing lefty who can work out of trouble.

Morton - has moved into the number 2 spot, solely because that is where Snell was pitching. He has a plus fastball that he can throw at 95 mph for at least six innings, plus a good curve. If he continues to develop his change, he is going to turn into a legitimate top of the rotation starter.

Duke - throwing strikes, keeping the ball in the park, avoiding walks, getting ground balls. He is on pace for 16 wins and a superior ERA. Pretty good number three guy.

Ohlendorf - another power -armed strike thrower. Doing a good job of throwing strikes. If he can keep the ball in the park, he is going to be a tough customer, particularly for a number 4 starter. He is on pace, by the way, to win 14 games in his first season as a starting pitcher in the majors.

Lincoln, McCutchen, Gorzellany - No disrespect to Virgil Vasquez, who may turn out to be a decent long reliever out of the pen since he pounds the strike zone, but the Pirates are a better team with one of the three big arms in the minors taking over the 5th spot. If one of these three can step up and throw strikes consistently, then the Pirates will have five strike throwing starters, three of whom are legitimate power arms, and all of whom can control a 2-seam consistently enough to get a lot of ground balls.

That rotation is good - very good. Further, the pen is stocked with power arm righties. This pitching staff is going to be darn good.



Amen Brother.

Did I mention what a great trade that Nate McLouth for Morton was, regardless of whether anybody else even makes an impact?

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