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 Post subject: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:17 pm 
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I don't buy Dave Cameron's argument for a second, but he put it out there nonetheless. Feel free to discuss.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/morgan-dunn
I can only imagine how this is going over at CIA.

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:21 pm 
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LtCol Kojak Slaphead wrote:
I don't buy Dave Cameron's argument for a second, but he put it out there nonetheless. Feel free to discuss.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/morgan-dunn
I can only imagine how this is going over at CIA.

What a joke of an article. A player who bops 40 homeruns and knocks in 100 rbi's has more value then an above average defender with good baserunning.

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:30 pm 
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Don't tell me, Ryann — tell them. Leave a comment to that effect at the end of the article. Please.

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
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I don't know if you noticed, but Dunn is atrocious on defense, especially in the outfield. He's giving up almost as many runs as he's knocking in. If Dunn were a DH, his value would rise on account that he does not have to don a glove.

I'm not saying that Morgan and Dunn are equivalent. But I am saying that defense is important and often overlooked when valuing a player, especially a corner outfielder.

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:49 pm 
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I cannot believe that there are not American League teams beating down the Nats door for him. Particularly the Yankees.


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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:12 pm 
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Willton wrote:
I don't know if you noticed, but Dunn is atrocious on defense, especially in the outfield. He's giving up almost as many runs as he's knocking in. If Dunn were a DH, his value would rise on account that he does not have to don a glove.

I'm not saying that Morgan and Dunn are equivalent. But I am saying that defense is important and often overlooked when valuing a player, especially a corner outfielder.


I don't think it's any big secret that non-slugging, speedy, high UZR outfielders are a market inefficiency that many teams are currently trying to exploit. See also Felix Pie, Endy Chavez, Franklin Gutierrez, et al. It's as if, after half a decade of mercilessly bashing Juan Pierre, the sabermetrics community suddenly realized that they might have inadvertently crashed the market on base-stealing, slaphitting, good glove outfielders.

However pitting two extremes against each other — Nyjer and his historically high UZR vs. one of the great 3 True Outcomes no glove guys of all time — is a false choice. He's manipulating the stats to see what he wants to see, and his confirmation bias is shining through. It's not the first time I've had this problem with him.
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I cannot believe that there are not American League teams beating down the Nats door for him. Particularly the Yankees.

I believe he's stated repeatedly that he will not move to the AL to DH. Why the Nationals have not chained him to 1B and shipped out Nick Johnson is another matter entirely.

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
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Az Bucco fan wrote:
I cannot believe that there are not American League teams beating down the Nats door for him. Particularly the Yankees.


I thought I remember reading that he didn't want to be a regular DH or 1st baseman, that was why some AL teams backed off of him...

I think he's worse at 1st base than he is in LF...

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 Post subject: Re: NyjMo = Dunn
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:00 pm 
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Dunn must have some reality problems if he thinks he is better off in the NL.


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